Scouting Staff (Comparisons)

[Perfect_Drug]

Wanted to do a few comparisons of our scouts to a couple of other organizations (feel free to fill this out, and infer what you will from comparisons)

Oilers: 13 Scouts
Scouting Staff
11x Amateur Scouts
2x Professional Scouts

Tampa: 16 Scouts
Tampa Bay Lightning Hockey Ops and Coaching Staff
8x Amateur Scouts
3x European Scouts
4x Professional Scouts
1 Goaltending Scout

Winnipeg: 21 Scouts
13x Amateur Scouts
5x Professional Scouts
1x European Scout
2x Misc Scouts

Toronto Maple Leafs: 22 Personnel
Toronto Maple Leafs Scouting Staff | Maple Leafs Hotstove
5x Pro Scouts
5x European Scouts
8x Amateur Scouts

Montreal Canadians: 20 Scouts
Hockey Operations
5x Professional Scouts
2x NCAA Scouts
12x Amateur Scouts
- 2x European
- 2x American
- 1x Russian
- 1x Swedish

Las Vegas Scouts: 19
Front Office
7x Amateur
4x European
1x Goaltending
3x Professional Scouts

Calgary Flames Scouts: 17
HOCKEY OPERATIONS
12x Amateur Scouts
2x Pro Scouts
1x European Scout

Vancouver Canucks Scouts: 22
Coaches & Staff
18x Amateur Scouts
4x Professional Scouts

LA kings with 25:
Staff Directory - LA Kings Hockey & Business Operations

NY Rangers with 21:
New York Rangers Directory

Ottawa Senators: 13 (the same as us)
Front Office

San Jose with 19
Front Office Directory
7x Amateur
5x European
3x Pro
1x Forward
1x Defense
1x Goaltender

St.Louis Blues: 17
Front Office

Colorado Avalanche: 18
Colorado Avalanche Coaches and Staff

Chicago Blackhawks: 29
Front Office

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[Perfect_Drug]

We might have the most undermanned scouting staff in the NHL.

Lack of any European or Goalie scout.

 

[joestevens29]

The lack of scouts and development program is quite alarming. Struds talked about how TOR has "books" on their guys. They give their guys feedback and try see ever prospect x amount of times a year to work on their "book".

Instead of scouts we just have a lot of management type guys with no clear direction on what they actually do.

Edit: The other thing I'd add is you can somewhat probably get away with less scouts if you have an analytical team that is looking into things for you as well. But we don't even have the analytical team and we try get away with 2 pro scouts doing the job.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

We have No european scout.

The fact that we rarely get Europeans to develop into NHL players should not shock anyone.

 

[McDrai]

We might have the most undermanned scouting staff in the NHL.

Lack of any European or Goalie scout.

I'm sure once they find out they are undermanned in the scouting department they can go hire more ex Oilers/their family members

 

[Perfect_Drug]

This is interesting:
Coyotes have a relatively sparse Scouting dept:
But a HUGE video scouting dept:
Staff

3x Professional
5x Amateur
2x European
12x Video Scouts + 3 Video Interns

 

[Beerfish]

Our pro scouts are amateurs.

 

[joestevens29]

We have No european scout.

The fact that we rarely get Europeans to develop into NHL players should not shock anyone.

I guess the only way to get rid of personnel on this club is when someone dies. Hired Vaclav Burda in 2017, he died a year later in a car crash.

With all those leagues over there we should have a team of 3-5 guys scouting pro and amateur over in Europe.

7 of McKenzie's top 31 play in Europe this year. Last year 11 of the first rounder were in Euro leagues. Really no reason not to have the numbers in Europe. Even if you have a pro guy that isn't the best amateur scout, he could at least be telling the Amateur scouts to come over and check out someone.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

With all those leagues over there we should have a team of 3-5 guys scouting pro and amateur over in Europe.

7 of McKenzie's top 31 play in Europe this year. Last year 11 of the first rounder were in Euro leagues. Really no reason not to have the numbers in Europe. Even if you have a pro guy that isn't the best amateur scout, he could at least be telling the Amateur scouts to come over and check out someone.

I mean... I guess Jari Kurri did tell us about Koskinen.

So we threw a ton of money at him.

 

[joestevens29]

I mean... I guess Jari Kurri did tell us about Koskinen.

So we threw a ton of money at him.

It's good he told us about him, but at the end of the day we should be sending our goalie guys to look at these goalies.

Almost should look at hiring Kevin Woodley to help with the goalie scouting and development here.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Interesting to see Mitch Holmberg as a scout. Guy scored 62 goals and had 118 points in the WHL in 13/14. Still a young guy.

 

[joestevens29]

Interesting to see Mitch Holmberg as a scout. Guy scored 62 goals and had 118 points in the WHL in 13/14. Still a young guy.

His step dad is Bob Green, so who knows if he's any good

 

[5 14 6 1]

His step dad is Bob Green, so who knows if he's any good

The nepotism knows no bounds

 

[sepHF]

The nepotism knows no bounds

its honestly ridiculous. The entire scouting staff are basically jobs given as favours to alumni's family members.

such a joke

 

[FlameChampion]

Pretty sad but seems about right. A billion dollar organization is too smart/cheap to hire people. The people in management currently probably wouldnt even listen to the scouts anyway.

 

[McDNicks17]

Look at a team like the Sharks. They have four European scouts.

No wonder they're able to find guys like Donskoi, Karlsson, Sorensen, Heed, Radil, Simek and Suomela.

That's almost 400 games from European UFAs just this season.

 

[joestevens29]

Look at a team like the Sharks. They have four European scouts.

No wonder they're able to find guys like Donskoi, Karlsson, Sorensen, Heed, Radil, Simek and Suomela.

That's almost 400 games from European UFAs just this season.

Those cheap depth guys sure help off set any higher end UFA's or trade deadline acquisitions a team makes.

 

[McDNicks17]

Those cheap depth guys sure help off set any higher end UFA's or trade deadline acquisitions a team makes.

Yup.

It should be a no-brainer for a team like the Oilers to be doing the same.

 

[onetweasy]

Wanted to do a few comparisons of our scouts to a couple of other organizations (feel free to fill this out, and infer what you will from comparisons)

Oilers: 13 Scouts
Scouting Staff
11x Amateur Scouts
2x Professional Scouts

Great work on pulling this together.

The Oilers would make one hell of a case study.

Scouting (pro and amateur) is one of if not the most important thing when it comes to the long term success of a hockey club and we are running it like a f***ing family garage sale.

How can a club have success when it fails at so many basic tasks. Seeing stuff like this gives me such a feeling of hopelessness with this Club.

 

[KMart27]

Yes we have European scouts.

 

[belair]

We always hear of guys not employed by us pointing us towards certain players. We have a lot of 'scouts' off the books, I imagine.

Obviously this method has proven ineffective.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Oilers should run:

5 Pro scouts
10 Amateur scouts
3 European Scouts
2 Goaltending scouts ( I really want to see a Franchise Goaltender between the pipes for the oilers in my lifetime)

 

[McDNicks17]

It gets worse the more you look into it.

Messier doesn't even scout full-time because he also manages a hotel in the Bahamas that Mark owns...

 

[onetweasy]

Look at a team like the Sharks. They have four European scouts.

No wonder they're able to find guys like Donskoi, Karlsson, Sorensen, Heed, Radil, Simek and Suomela.

That's almost 400 games from European UFAs just this season.

The OBC is convinced that finding good hockey players is 50% magic and 50% did you win cups in the 80's.

In reality, it is hiring competent people and placing them in a organizational structure that allows good decisions to be made.

 

[onetweasy]

It gets worse the more you look into it.

Messier doesn't even scout full-time because he also manages a hotel in the Bahamas that Mark owns...

Amazing.