Scott Moore gets 'Golden Parachute' from Rogers and will move on.

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  1. Fenway

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    Good riddance.

    Surprised he lasted this long. But also surprised no one who helped seal the NHL package deal is left with Rogers not even halfway through the completion of the contract.
     
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    Wasn't he the guy that was on Primetime Sport the other day. lol He was patting himself on the back, praising Ron Mclane and then saying he was leaving cause he wanted to spent time with his family.

    He was talking about the tradition of HNIC yet completely killed it.
     
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    Part of my job is crew staffing remote trucks in the US and my company works closely with Dome Productions in Toronto as our trucks go into Canada and their trucks come into the US.

    Moore 4 years ago wanted to pay the same rate that CBC was paying but to pay American freelancers in CDN. That was not going to happen. CBC and TSN, RDS (Bell) have always been good to work with, Rogers not so much.

    My company's biggest headache every year is getting the proper permits to operate a truck in Quebec. :help:

    My biggest beef with Moore was he did not think the montages were that important and wasn't willing to pay music license fees.

    Tim Thompson is the best and Moore refused to use him. Here are 2 examples of his work.



     
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    The montages were great and he instituted the cheesy narrator Roger's cheaped out on. Those montages were getting good viral spread online.....

    And yeah he was on PTS basically patting himself on the back. I couldn't help but gag....
     
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    Moore was right. The montages were just a waste of time. But I never was a fan of music videos.

    While it is possible that Moore was let go and did not decide to leave on his own, is it not also possible that he did decide to move on?

    Nothing you have posted here gives any support for the thread title.

    As for many of the changes instituted on HNIC, I was under the impression that most of them were the work of Gord Cutler, who was hired and given full control of all on-air NHL production.

    Gord Cutler Appointed Senior Vice President of NHL Production, Rogers Media

    Now, Moore does bear some responsibility for hiring Cutler but clearly based on the above press release, Moore was not going to be micromanaging him.

    It seems that Moore may not have agreed with all of Cutler’s changes based on this Yahoo Sports article about Cutler’s firing:

    Rogers changes course on NHL by axing TV production head Gord Cutler

    In short, I don’t think you can blame all of Rogers’ HNIC changes on Moore, though, of course, as I said above, he does bear some responsibility.
     
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    CBC's montages went viral on You Tube within minutes - Rogers not so much

    BUT a bigger blow happened when Moore eliminated CBC's Hockey Tonight in favor of Hockey Central



    Moore's biggest contribution to Rogers getting the national contract was his getting CBC to agree to give airtime to Rogers for NOTHING and allowing Rogers to rent studio space at CBC Toronto.
     
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    I’m not denying that a lot of people liked the montages. I just hated them.

    And other than catchier title music, what’s the difference between hockey Tonight and Hockey Central? Both are justbanalylists talking about the upcoming games.

    Personally, I thought the biggest mistake Rogers made was not turfing Don Cherry. Bu even if they had, TSN would have likely hired him.

    CBC gets an night of programming for no cost. I’m not sure CBC could produce or acquire a Saturday night’s worth of program that would turn a profit with their ad sales. Most importantly, I believe that CBC promo slots during HNIC were I’ve to them free of charge — and let’s not forget Hughson’s mentions of CBC programming during the broadcast itself. These two things allow CBC to continue to use HNIC to promote their other programming to an audience of about 2M.

    And from what I heard CBC wasn’t doing much more than break even with HNIC anyway which is why they didn’t renew the deal. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if CBC s further ahead financially with the Rogers deal. They get to keep HNIC as a promotional platform, fill Saturday night with programming for nothing, ad get rent from Rogers for the studio.
     
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    OP seems to have a personal vendetta with Moore.

    Moving along..
     
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    Also what is hilarious it's that before the deal, the only thing that I liked about Sportsnet's hockey coverage was their late night show "Hockey Central" around 11. I thought it was the best late night news shows about hockey outthere and it's what really Kypreos, Shannon and McClean were the best at. The moment the deal happens boom that is gone. lol It feels like most of these guys wanted the Hockey deal no matter what and didn't sit down and think what they had had, what they were good at.

    Now their only solution to fix the George blablapulos fiasco was bringing Ron Mclean but all this guy cares about is the useless hometown hockey. HNIC in the past you really felt like he wanted to get to the bottom of hockey subjects. Now he is there but is like a ghost and he seems afraid to get into things too controversial.
     
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    I don't have an agenda against Scott Moore but I do have one against Rogers.

    2 years ago most of the innovations Moore made on HNIC were scrapped and I was amazed he survived. My guess is the success of the Blue Jays saved him.
     
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    By Moore’s changes, do you mean Cutler’s changes? Or is it your belief that even though Cutler was supposedly hired to be in charge of all NHL-related production that he was actually being micro-managed by Moore to make changes Moore wanted?
     
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    That is a tough call but in the end, Moore would have the final say.
     
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    The issue is the quality of the montage. The writing was spectacular in the CBC productions, then it felt like a highschool play when Rogers took over. Complete amatuer hour.
     
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    I miss the playoff montages. Maybe the new guy will bring the creator back.
     
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    No talent POS that ruined HNIC. He should be ashamed and Rogers also for hanging on to him for so long.
     
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    Moore was in charge and controlled everything and everybody. Go through his resume and see what a success his career has been. Oh, it has been a great success for him personally but maybe not for the companies he worked for. I found him to be self-serving and dishonest. But then again, I could be wrong.
     
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    Moore was given a mandate by Rogers in 2010 when he was hired, to make Sportsnet a bigger brand than TSN.

    Now, which brand is more profitable? TSN/RDS has local hockey deals in Montreal, Ottawa, Winnipeg and 50% of Toronto. They also have the CFL and the very profitable World Juniors.

    Sportsnet paid heavily for the NHL BUT they also have MLB for relatively cheap fees.

    IMHO the Sportsnet national NHL games have excellent production values but their regional feeds in Alberta and BC are lacking.
     
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    This is a bit of a stretch, no? The CBC was paying like $200 million a year, and Rogers on average is paying double that. If the CBC was just breaking even, then I don't know how Rogers can claim they are making money off their deal when a) ratings have fallen since they took over; and b) they had to offer advertisers free spots because they didn't guarantee them the eyeballs they said they would.

    It certainly wasn't CBC's choice no to renew the deal. They definitely wanted to keep Saturday nights, while spreading out the other days between Sportsnet (Wednesday nights) and TSN (a new Sunday night tradition). Those involved with the CBC said they were completely blindsided they were left completely out in the dark, so it definitely was not by choice they don't control anything.

    And further ahead financially? With absolute zero ad dollars flowing through? Doubt that.

    Moore was arrogant and smug and absolutely helped water down what used to be a great product. I hope whoever comes in next tries to revive things. But I have a feeling it's way too late. The broadcasts are way too Rogers-fied nowadays. When Elliott Friedman comes across as a complete corporate kiss-a$$, you know things are bad.
     
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    Sportsnet by all accounts has taken over as the #1 brand. But I wonder what's more of an accomplishment. That Sportsnet is paying $5.2 billion for hockey content and not having to pay for any baseball content to achieve that. Or that TSN hasn't been completely been left for dead yet even though many predicted losing the NHL national rights was going to do so (I thought that same thing).
     
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    CBC does get some revenue from the Rogers deal.

    They are allowed to sell LOCAL ads at each transmitter location - for example, Fallsview Casino buys time on Ottawa, Windsor and Toronto and they also get free promotional time from Rogers. They also get revenue from leasing out studios to Rogers in the CBC Broadcast Centre in Toronto. Allowing the local ads kept the CRTC happy.

    CBC was not blindsided as Moore had to broker the leasing of the network to Rogers before the deal was announced.

    Bell was willing to put HNIC on CTV on Saturday nights and the SCF but NOT for every night of the playoffs as the network is too profitable. Another factor was local news in Vancouver which would be lost with 4 PM starts every night giving Global an advantage.

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    Do you have anything to support this?

    I believe TSN still has in addition to what was mentioned: SNF/MNF, F1, Golf majors in addition to the better hockey panel.
     
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    Thanks for the info. Would you suggest then the CBC is no worse off having lost their rights completely as suggested above?

    As for the CBC being blindsided, what I meant was that from what I recall is that while they thought their role in the rights would be lessened, no way did they think they would lose everything outright without holding on to Saturday nights. Just reading/hearing what was said at the time, having no creative control over the Saturday broadcasts didn’t seem like it was what they were expecting to come away with (even with Moore brokering the lease).
     
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    Nothing to support it besides pure conjecture.

    Sportsnet now had access to show over 500+ NHL games per year as well as a full summer’s worth of Blue Jays games to show. Arguably the two biggest sporting properties in Canada and Sportsnet now had a stranglehold on both. That’s a tonne of content TSN couldn’t compete with — the CFL’s schedule for instance pales in comparison to MLB’s and TSN can only milk the two-week World Junior tournament for so much.

    While TSN is no longer the channel of choice for me, and wasn’t even leading up to Rogers winning the NHL deal, I do believe they have done a better job staying relevant than I expected. I also do think that has partly to do with Rogers’ poor programming quality and decisions that they haven’t been able to step on TSN’s throat.
     
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    It's more of a personal preference. My entire circle watches TSN.

    But again, with TSN being the home of F1 (huge following), golf majors, Sunday/Monday night football, NASCAR, golf majors, Monday Night Raw, the UFC now and still having hockey games.....they're doing alright cable-wise. I know one of the sticking points during the last rights negotiations was not putting games on their CTV affiliates as they have programming that brings in ratings during the week.

    Where they've pulled ahead is with their online subscriptions up 340%. That's where sport is going.
     

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