Confirmed with Link: Scott Laughton new contract 5 x $3M

[deadhead]

Allison has played 3 games. Played well, but 3 games.

No I am not willing to just replace a 60+ point guy in Jake for Allison who as of yet, has not proven he can stay healthy, let alone replace Jake.

Let him replace NAK and prove himself more.

If Jake wasn't riding a miserable xGF% while the rest of the team laps him (i.e. can't blame it on PDO or any other factor), AND the team was a Cup contender, I might agree. But do you think Jake is going to have another uptick at 32? Age 21-25 he was a dominating player, since then he's been a good play maker but otherwise meh due to at best average, and most years, below average defense. He's a luxury for a team that can pair him with a CYA center that needs scoring, especially on the PP.

Both Jake and JVR would be solid additions to the right contending team, but neither is a glue guy. Unless you think we're going to turn it around next season and be a top 8 team (odds are we're somewhere between last year's 106 pace and this year's 86 point pace, they should both be gone, given their age and cap hit. I'd rather have a 90 point season with a young and upcoming team than a 96-98, 1st rd exit carried by two aging forwards - been there, done that.

Guys like Stewart, Braun and Hagg don't block prospects, guys like Jake and JVR do b/c they push guys like Lindblom and Patrick down to the 4th line - next year we have to start force feeding 22-24 year old prospects PT.

 

[Magua]

Allison has looked fabulous, but he's not really comparable to Voracek either. Allison is doing a lot in SSS to drive play in winning puck battles, forechecking, skating, sustaining cycles -- these are good stuff. He's a good skater with good skill, but I'm not expecting him to be a superlative entry/exit, puck dominant player though in the vein of good Voracek. And certainly in terms of the shooting/playmaking spectrum, they're not particularly close. None of this matters though because they're both likely on the roster next season together.

Allison theoretically leeches more usage away from JVR/Patrick than Jake.

For the record, Laughton almost never gets to play with Couturier.

The last two years are a bit of a small sample, but if we go back three Giroux has a small but clear edge on Laughton in ES production. However, Laughton is far from being the 3rd/4th line tweener and other negative labels given to him.

Giroux - 116 ESP in 194 GP (15:24 TOI/GP) = 2.32 ESP/60

Laughton - 74 ESP in 173 GP (12:47 TOI/GP) = 2 ESP/60

Giroux hasn't needed Couturier this season, but I don't think it's unusual that the best winger and best center were playing together. They did among league best things for a few years at 5v5. That duo's usage was earned.

I'm very confused what we are discussing though because it keeps going back to things I didn't say; you're talking to me but talking about someone else. Laughton is a perfectly cromulent middle 6 scorer -- not a 4th liner -- even in a normal ~1.8 5v5 p/60 season (read: not elite 1st line rates). But last season was never sustainable. He's not really someone who "drives" play; Laughton is pretty much a hustler with above average scoring instincts. I don't believe he's a 5 year term, core type player; I don't believe it's a bad contract either (yes, I know the cap hit); I do wish they could've gotten an asset back this deadline and explored this signing in the offseason. I just think he's a perfect representation of Flyers hockey today, and given his 6th/7th forward usage, not a true needle mover.

 

[deadhead]

I'm very confused what we are discussing though because it keeps going back to things I didn't say; you're talking to me but talking about someone else. Laughton is a perfectly cromulent middle 6 scorer -- not a 4th liner -- even in a normal ~1.8 5v5 p/60 season (read: not elite 1st line rates). But last season was never sustainable. He's not really someone who "drives" play; Laughton is pretty much a hustler with above average scoring instincts. I don't believe he's a 5 year term, core type player; I don't believe it's a bad contract either (yes, I know the cap hit); I do wish they could've gotten an asset back this deadline and explored this signing in the offseason. I just think he's a perfect representation of Flyers hockey today, and given his 6th/7th forward usage, not a true needle mover.

Laughton is a bargain at that price, he's probably be a 4x4 player in free agency.
One reason he's valuable is the same as Hayes, players who can do more things have extra value over a long season.
Laughton is now on PK1, he's a solid 4C, marginal 3C (though he seems to have improved his defensive awareness), legitimate 3LW.
Is he top 6 material? Only on a team like Nashville which is thin at forward.
Is he a core player? No.
Is he solid depth at the right price and the right age, yes.

As we've seen, depth players like Rubtsov, Sushko, Vorobyev, etc. haven't panned out. Don't count on those ELC contracts to fill out the bottom six.
If the day comes when he's buried on the 4th line, I don't think he'll be difficult to deal at say age 29 at the TDL.
But the next few seasons he's veteran depth in the bottom six while we see if the kids are alright.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Allison has played 3 games. Played well, but 3 games.

No I am not willing to just replace a 60+ point guy in Jake for Allison who as of yet, has not proven he can stay healthy, let alone replace Jake.

Let him replace NAK and prove himself more.

Wentz got blamed for being injured all the time who wasnt exactly injured all the time. Alison who was injured all the time get a free pass for the next years over a core member of the franchise. Classic HfBoard

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Allison has looked fabulous, but he's not really comparable to Voracek either. Allison is doing a lot in SSS to drive play in winning puck battles, forechecking, skating, sustaining cycles -- these are good stuff. He's a good skater with good skill, but I'm not expecting him to be a superlative entry/exit, puck dominant player though in the vein of good Voracek. And certainly in terms of the shooting/playmaking spectrum, they're not particularly close. None of this matters though because they're both likely on the roster next season together.

Allison theoretically leeches more usage away from JVR/Patrick than Jake.



Giroux hasn't needed Couturier this season, but I don't think it's unusual that the best winger and best center were playing together. They did among league best things for a few years at 5v5. That duo's usage was earned.

I'm very confused what we are discussing though because it keeps going back to things I didn't say; you're talking to me but talking about someone else. Laughton is a perfectly cromulent middle 6 scorer -- not a 4th liner -- even in a normal ~1.8 5v5 p/60 season (read: not elite 1st line rates). But last season was never sustainable. He's not really someone who "drives" play; Laughton is pretty much a hustler with above average scoring instincts. I don't believe he's a 5 year term, core type player; I don't believe it's a bad contract either (yes, I know the cap hit); I do wish they could've gotten an asset back this deadline and explored this signing in the offseason. I just think he's a perfect representation of Flyers hockey today, and given his 6th/7th forward usage, not a true needle mover.

Its not okay tooquestion something this franchise does. Its that simple. You van say 1000 words about laughtons skills and his worth for the franchise. One word against his contract is a word too much and you will be critizised

 

[deadhead]

Looking at a top 9 "depth chart" going forward:

We have RH wings coming out of the ears going forward: TK, Allison, Foerster, Brink, Wisdom.
Farabee is playing RW and JOB may move there.
LW is a little thinner: Lindblom, Farabee, Laughton and that's about it. Lycksell?
Center?: Frost, Patrick? JOB? Laczynski

This is where the failure of Rubtsov and Vorobyev to develop has left this team a bit thin.

 

[Curufinwe]

34 points in 54 games is a new career high for Laughton.

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His previous highest was 32 in 82 in 18-19.

 

[Audible Velvet]

34 points in 54 games is a new career high for Laughton.

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His previous highest was 32 in 82 in 18-19.

Time to sell high

 

[deadhead]

Laughton is expendable due to his age, and the emergence of Cates and Desnoyers on the way.
He'll have a lot of value given his low cap hit and his versatility.
On a good team he's a 3LW/3C/4C, but also can play PP2 and is a top PK guy.
Pageau got a 1st and 2nd and a 6x$5M extension, Laughton with three years left at $3M is worth at least a 1st.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Laughton is expendable due to his age, and the emergence of Cates and Desnoyers on the way.
He'll have a lot of value given his low cap hit and his versatility.
On a good team he's a 3LW/3C/4C, but also can play PP2 and is a top PK guy.
Pageau got a 1st and 2nd and a 6x$5M extension, Laughton with three years left at $3M is worth at least a 1st.

They view Laughton as a core piece. He is going nowhere.

 

[Tripod]

Laughton is expendable if we can trade him for a 1st. Shit teams should trade guys like him that good teams overpay for. Cates and Desnoyers have done nothing to push Laughton out the door.

Just like Allison did nothing to make Jake expendable

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Laughton was even more expendable in 2021 at the trade deadline but, hey, this organization operates like a bunch of morons so I wouldn't expect much.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

They view Laughton as a core piece. He is going nowhere.

Chuckles cant even grasp the idea of sell high..

0.0% chance he's smart enuf to trade HotRod right now...

 

[deadhead]

Laughton is expendable if we can trade him for a 1st. Shit teams should trade guys like him that good teams overpay for. Cates and Desnoyers have done nothing to push Laughton out the door.

Just like Allison did nothing to make Jake expendable

Jake made Jake expendable, his play his last year here and his first year in CBJ proved me right.
$8.25M for a guy who has the worst xGFrel of your top 9 forwards is a gross overpay, as bad as Hayes.
Other than nice passes on the PP, he has no value left, even before the concussions.

Cates can do everything Laughton can do, and Desnoyers is similar, in that he's a defense first center who has developed offensive chops.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Jake made Jake expendable, his play his last year here and his first year in CBJ proved me right.
$8.25M for a guy who has the worst xGFrel of your top 9 forwards is a gross overpay, as bad as Hayes.
Other than nice passes on the PP, he has no value left, even before the concussions.

Cates can do everything Laughton can do, and Desnoyers is similar, in that he's a defense first center who has developed offensive chops.

What were you proven right about? They traded him for a guy that since the beginning has arguably had a worse contract due to the term.

I'm also glad to see that we've entered the Desnoyers written into the lineup part of the season. Tale as old as time.

 

[Magua]

Laughton is having a career scoring season, but it's more hollow than it appears. The only Flyers forwards he is outproducing in 5v5 points/60 are Deslauriers and MacEwen. Among all NHL forwards with >600 minutes, he sits 211/231 in 5v5 points/60. So, yes, he's on pace for 50 points, but he's doing almost none of it at 5v5.

Now, the pollyanna version is that he's been a dynamic PK scorer and has shown more PP chops than the team has given him credit, along with being opportunistic in general. The more realistic version is he averages the 3rd most min/game of any Flyers forward at 5v5, while being 2nd in all-situations. He's the #2 forward on the team. Any quality playoff team would not be playing him in anything close to this usage, and that his career year is so dependent on non-5v5 scoring isn't exactly a good thing. I'm sure he is a great locker room guy, but this is as classic a sell high as it gets for a bottom feeder. I think, with his contract, you could pull more than a 1st out of some GM. But they won't do it.

 

[TCTC]

Laughton should only be traded for a 1st+. With his contract he may be the most valuable player on the team after Konecny and Hart.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Laughton should only be traded for a 1st+. With his contract he may be the most valuable player on the team after Konecny and Hart.

He should be traded for whatever the Flyers can get. Not because he sucks, but because the Flyers are not competing before he is turning 32.

 

[TCTC]

He should be traded for whatever the Flyers can get. Not because he sucks, but because the Flyers are not competing before he is turning 32.

We shouldn't sell below market value though. Any playoff team would take a player like him on their 3rd line. We should demand a fair return.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hagel got 2 firsts back last year.

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[Magua]

Hagel was a 23 year old on a $1.5 MM x 3 contract, with RFA control after, while putting up the same production as Laughton in his age 28 career year. Sure enough, Hagel is on pace for 70 points this season.

I don’t think Hagel is the best comparison. Tampa was also very desperate for a very specific talent/contract player like that. I do wholeheartedly believe the Flyers could get a quality 1st for Laughton, maybe even with a B piece attached. The argument against it is: “But what about our losing winning culture?!”

 

[deadhead]

Hagel was a 23 year old on a $1.5 MM x 3 contract, with RFA control after, while putting up the same production as Laughton in his age 28 career year. Sure enough, Hagel is on pace for 70 points this season.

I don’t think Hagel is the best comparison. Tampa was also very desperate for a very specific talent/contract player like that. I do wholeheartedly believe the Flyers could get a quality 1st for Laughton, maybe even with a B piece attached. The argument against it is: “But what about our losing winning culture?!”

I use Pageau, now Islanders may have paid more b/c he fit Trotz.
But Pageau is a defensive/PK specialist who scores less than Laughton. And has been paid a lot more.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

We shouldn't sell below market value though. Any playoff team would take a player like him on their 3rd line. We should demand a fair return.

I don't think they should settle for a 3rd. That would show too much weakness. I think he's worth a 1st but if all you can get is a 2nd (or 2), I think they should take it.

 

[renberg]

Tampa was also very desperate for a very specific talent/contract player like that.

This is what good GMs/FOs do. They look for what they know will specifically contribute to winning with their club. Not just sign or trade for any clown that happens to be on the market. The Lightning have been surgical with their acquisitions and it shows.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

I don't think they should settle for a 3rd. That would show too much weakness. I think he's worth a 1st but if all you can get is a 2nd (or 2), I think they should take it.

And throw it away in Gudbranson trade, huh?