Sandin/Liljegren vs Brook/Romanov

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[BAM]

Sandin honestly reminds me of Josi in so many ways and he is honestly one of the more untouchable prospects the Leafs have. Liljegren could probably be a 3rd pairing pp specialist right now. I'm gunna go with those two because I think their games will translate better at the next level (Sandin moreso than Liljegren in terms of who has a higher floor)

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Have people seen Romanov at the WJC ?

MVP Defense at 18 years old... playing top minute in the KHL with the best team. Romanov, from what we have seen, is ranked higher than Sandin at this state IMO.

romanov > Sandin
Lili < Brook

Habs prospect had a better WJC and shined way more.

 

[Hahahax]

Sandin honestly reminds me of Josi in so many ways and he is honestly one of the more untouchable prospects the Leafs have. Liljegren could probably be a 3rd pairing pp specialist right now. I'm gunna go with those two because I think their games will translate better at the next level (Sandin moreso than Liljegren in terms of who has a higher floor)

Yet most scouts don't see Sandin as anything more than a 2nd pairing guy. The Josi comparison is the homer goggles.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Romanov looks like he has the highest upside so I went with him. But I think you can make solid arguments either way here. Sandin has also developed well.

 

[BAM]

Yet most scouts don't see Sandin as anything more than a 2nd pairing guy. The Josi comparison is the homer goggles.

Every late pick that turned out to work is an example of a player beating their projection. You seriously think if 26 other teams knew what Pastrnak was going to be he'd have gone in the late 20's? What about Boeser, Keith, Subban, and other young players that produced better value than where they were picked or projected. Sandin's best assets (skating and hockey IQ) are perfect for what the modern NHL d-man is/will be. Josi only broke into the NHL in his d+4 and and his first 40 point season came at 23. The Josi you see today wasn't what scouts had projected when he was first drafted.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Every late pick that turned out to work is an example of a player beating their projection. You seriously think if 26 other teams knew what Pastrnak was going to be he'd have gone in the late 20's? What about Boeser, Keith, Subban, and other young players that produced better value than where they were picked or projected. Sandin's best assets (skating and hockey IQ) are perfect for what the modern NHL d-man is/will be. Josi only broke into the NHL in his d+4 and and his first 40 point season came at 23. The Josi you see today wasn't what scouts had projected when he was first drafted.

Sure you can find a few outliers. But the odds of any prospect turning into Josi are extremely low.

 

[Hahahax]

Every late pick that turned out to work is an example of a player beating their projection. You seriously think if 26 other teams knew what Pastrnak was going to be he'd have gone in the late 20's? What about Boeser, Keith, Subban, and other young players that produced better value than where they were picked or projected. Sandin's best assets (skating and hockey IQ) are perfect for what the modern NHL d-man is/will be. Josi only broke into the NHL in his d+4 and and his first 40 point season came at 23. The Josi you see today wasn't what scouts had projected when he was first drafted.

Handpicking late picks turning into stars to make your point really? I can find a f***ton more of 29th picks not even reaching the NHL than you can find 29th picks making it. I have not seen or heard a single scout outside of Toronto calling this guy a potential first pairing dman.

The guy was having a great year as an 18yo in the AHL, yet noone is changing their opinions on him based on his skillset and limitations: size, speed and board battles. That's telling.

 

[BAM]

Handpicking late picks turning into stars to make your point really? I can find a ****ton more of 29th picks not even reaching the NHL than you can find 29th picks making it. I have not seen or heard a single scout outside of Toronto calling this guy a potential first pairing dman.

The guy was having a great year as an 18yo in the AHL, yet noone is changing their opinions on him based on his skillset and limitations: size, speed and board battles. That's telling.

Depends on who you talk to, Babcock absolutely loves the kid and played him in preseason a bunch on a team with cup aspirations. He's had a great start to his career including the AHL and WJC.

LOL good for you [MOD] I'm sure you could find countless examples of busts. Newsflash, they're all prospects, they could all bust. Just because a spot in the draft has had a high failure rate doesn't mean it's some cursed spot that every player will bust from.

He was 5th on his team in points at the WJC, 1 point back of the Brannstrom and Boqvist. Button had him ranked 26th best NHL affiliated prospect which is impressive considering he was only drafted last June at 29.

Just because you don't pay attention to Sandin doesn't mean he's lacking potential or not noticed.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Yet most scouts don't see Sandin as anything more than a 2nd pairing guy. The Josi comparison is the homer goggles.

I mean, scouts didn't see Josi as much more than that either when he was a prospect.

 

[Hahahax]

I mean, scouts didn't see Josi as much more than that either when he was a prospect.

"Romanov and Brook honestly remind me of Josi in so many ways and they are honestly some of the more untouchable prospects the Canadiens have."

I can make senseless statements too, it does not make them right whatsoever.

I would pick the Leafs duo in this poll, I'm not biased one bit against them... but honestly, comparing Sandin to Josi and not expectign ridicule? I guess he's the only one in the world to see Sandin's true colors?

 

[Haatley]

Sandin honestly reminds me of Josi in so many ways and he is honestly one of the more untouchable prospects the Leafs have. Liljegren could probably be a 3rd pairing pp specialist right now. I'm gunna go with those two because I think their games will translate better at the next level (Sandin moreso than Liljegren in terms of who has a higher floor)

Liljegren a PP specialist? He barely produces in the AHL.

 

[Hahahax]

Liljegren a PP specialist? He barely produces in the AHL.

He's in the ECHL now... but don't tell him though.

The leafs are sending a guy who could be a "3rd pairing PP specialist in the NHL right now" in the ECHL, but i get warned for calling bullshit on that guy's opinions though.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He's in the ECHL now... but don't tell him though.

The leafs are sending a guy who could be a "3rd pairing PP specialist in the NHL right now" in the ECHL, but i get warned for calling bull**** on that guy's opinions though.

It's for a conditioning stint, since he was injured. You sure don't seem to know very much about the player, so you should probably defer to leafs fans here

 

[Hahahax]

It's for a conditioning stint, since he was injured. You sure don't seem to know very much about the player, so you should probably defer to leafs fans here

Yes, a conditioning stint in the ECHL. NHL ready players do their conditioning stints in the AHL, not the ECHL. If he could be a 3rd pairing PP specialist in the NHL he wouldnt go condition in the ECHL... well, he could, but it would be a first.

As I said, I like Sandin and Liljegren. I don't like homers with homer goggles claiming their prospects are the second coming of christ, which is pretty much what BAM did.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Yes, a conditioning stint in the ECHL. NHL ready players do their conditioning stints in the AHL, not the ECHL. If he could be a 3rd pairing PP specialist in the NHL he wouldnt go condition in the ECHL... well, he could, but it would be a first.

he could do it, but he won't. it's better for his development to play all situations on the top pair in the AHL than be a 3rd pair PP specialist. he was recalled now anyway

 

[LuckyBoeser]

Have people seen Romanov at the WJC ?

MVP Defense at 18 years old... playing top minute in the KHL with the best team. Romanov, from what we have seen, is ranked higher than Sandin at this state IMO.

romanov > Sandin
Lili < Brook

Habs prospect had a better WJC and shined way more.

WJC performance are overrated. I value league performances far more than tournament performances.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Depends on who you talk to, Babcock absolutely loves the kid and played him in preseason a bunch on a team with cup aspirations. He's had a great start to his career including the AHL and WJC.

LOL good for you [MOD] I'm sure you could find countless examples of busts. Newsflash, they're all prospects, they could all bust. Just because a spot in the draft has had a high failure rate doesn't mean it's some cursed spot that every player will bust from.

He was 5th on his team in points at the WJC, 1 point back of the Brannstrom and Boqvist. Button had him ranked 26th best NHL affiliated prospect which is impressive considering he was only drafted last June at 29.

Just because you don't pay attention to Sandin doesn't mean he's lacking potential or not noticed.

Yes I like Sandin, he will be a good D man, but he is far from Romanov from what we seen at the world cup.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Right now you probably have to go Sandin and Liljgren. Would not be surprised in the slightest if that reverses in the next 12-24 months.

WJC performance are overrated. I value league performances far more than tournament performances.

Definitely. At the same time, outside of Gormley and Gavrikov, pretty much all recent Best D-men recipients at the WJC have gone on to be, at the very least, pretty competent NHL D-men. Its better to win one than not.

Its also hard to really project Romanov, since he's in the KHL, hasn't been playing much, and doesn't get put into positions to actually produce offense. He's an enigma.

 

[tony d]

Sandin/Liljegren.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Its also hard to really project Romanov, since he's in the KHL, hasn't been playing much, and doesn't get put into positions to actually produce offense. He's an enigma.

I think that's the point, the WJC is such a small sample that Romanov is still a mystery box. I don't think anyone is trying to say that his performance was a bad indicator, just that the sample size for Liljegren/Sandin is a lot larger to make a judgement on

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

He's an enigma.

no he's not, he was one, now he isnt...
He is sheltered in the KHL with low minutes because he is a 6ft 18 years old kid,and he showed us what his true potential is at the WJC ( where he had space and a lot more flexibility in his play)

He won the MVP of all the D at only 18 years old, people are killing me thinking he will be a second pairing at best. Have you people not watch his domination at the WJC where is not sheltered ?

- He has the vision
- He has the edge speed
- He has one of the strongest slapshot I have ever seen on a 6ft/5'11ft 18 years old
- he is extremely strong in his own zone and is playing with Pro calibre KHL players.


He outplayed any other D prospects on every team and people still think Sandin will be better, Baffles me.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think that's the point, the WJC is such a small sample that Romanov is still a mystery box. I don't think anyone is trying to say that his performance was a bad indicator, just that the sample size for Liljegren/Sandin is a lot larger to make a judgement on

Its not a lot larger for Sandin though. We're basing his growth as a prospect on two fewer games than Romanov at the WJC and 18 AHL games. He wouldn't be highly held as a prospect if you only looked at his pre-draft numbers in the OHL, there's a reason he went 29th.

 

[Green Snow Storm]

no he's not, he was one, now he isnt...
He is sheltered in the KHL with low minutes because he is a 6ft 18 years old kid,and he showed us what his true potential is at the WJC ( where he had space and a lot more flexibility in his play)

He won the MVP of all the D at only 18 years old, people are killing me thinking he will be a second pairing at best. Have you people not watch his domination at the WJC where is not sheltered ?

- He has the vision
- He has the edge speed
- He has one of the strongest slapshot I have ever seen on a 6ft/5'11ft 18 years old
- he is extremely strong in his own zone and is playing with Pro calibre KHL players.


He outplayed any other D prospects on every team and people still think Sandin will be better, Baffles me.

A lot of mistakes have been made in the past in putting too much stock in a World Juniors performance. Romanov is a very good prospect, but to act like there’s no chance Sandin can end up better is crazy. They’re both under 20 defencmen, who knows what way they’ll go. They both look good as of now.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Its not a lot larger for Sandin though. We're basing his growth as a prospect on two fewer games than Romanov at the WJC and 18 AHL games. He wouldn't be highly held as a prospect if you only looked at his pre-draft numbers in the OHL, there's a reason he went 29th.

OHL is sturdier proving ground for players of that age than the KHL though because of playing time and more of an NHL player factory than the MHL, so he started as a much less enigmatic quantity than Romanov then add 3x the sample this year with most of it being at the 2nd highest level of pro hockey played on NHL ice. I'm not at all trying to say that Sandin should have gone way higher than he did, but he's definitely more of a known quantity than Romanov at this point