Value of: Sami Vatenan to the Leafs

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Ceci appeara done for the season which means Toronto now has 6.5 million in LTIR space.

NJ is in full on sell mode so what's Vatenan cost?

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[Apotheosis]

No need. Leafs already have Liljegren and Vatanen doesn't have the defensive ability to improve the blueline. Would rather package AJ/Kapanen with prospects/picks for Manson who is a proven shut down guy and a decent cap hit.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Well most people think a 1st is an overpayment but a late 2nd doesn’t seem too enticing either so I guess a 2nd and a prospect? NJ can probably take cap back for a better return as well.

 

[d0rkwing]

No need. Leafs already have Liljegren and Vatanen doesn't have the defensive ability to improve the blueline. Would rather package AJ/Kapanen with prospects/picks for Manson who is a proven shut down guy and a decent cap hit.

Thing is, Liljegren would have to come back over for it to make sense for Anaheim. They’re desperately anemic on RHD depth, and selling off one of their best for anything less than a future replacement would be poor asset management....although now that I’ve typed that out I’m scared because that’s GMBM’s calling card.

 

[Apotheosis]

Thing is, Liljegren would have to come back over for it to make sense for Anaheim. They’re desperately anemic on RHD depth, and selling off one of their best for anything less than a future replacement would be poor asset management....although now that I’ve typed that out I’m scared because that’s GMBM’s calling card.

Given their state, they have a lot of rebuilding to do and Toronto is looking to upgrade, not move more defensive depth. From a roster POV, they have many many quality wingers, hence why it would be moved from that position. I understand your POV though.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Thing is, Liljegren would have to come back over for it to make sense for Anaheim. They’re desperately anemic on RHD depth, and selling off one of their best for anything less than a future replacement would be poor asset management....although now that I’ve typed that out I’m scared because that’s GMBM’s calling card.

I may be in the minorty I'm not sure but I think something could be built around Lilly and Manson

 

[Liferleafer]

Thing is, Liljegren would have to come back over for it to make sense for Anaheim. They’re desperately anemic on RHD depth, and selling off one of their best for anything less than a future replacement would be poor asset management....although now that I’ve typed that out I’m scared because that’s GMBM’s calling card.

This is one of those give to get scenarios in which i would put Liljegren on the table. My concern is Manson's play this year...he looks off, maybe still recovering?

 

[OVO16]

Vatanen is going to vegas. I just think its a matter of when

 

[405Exit]

Vatanen will catch his stride back in Anaheim. Just to fulfill the majority Ducks fans wanting a RHD. What’s the cost re acquisition.

Anaheim did the same damn thing with Etem in Vancouver, and re acquiring players. What’s the cost of Vatanen back in Anaheim.

 

[405Exit]

Vatanen is going to vegas. I just think its a matter of when

Anaheim will take him back. Don’t want Vegas having him. We just need to know cost

 

[awegrzyn]

Semi Vatanen is a top 50 scoring D in the league. That makes him first pair. Bottom, but still first.
Player like that is worth a first rounder. Sometimes it takes a decade to draft a D man like that. NJ did not draft any D man like that in more than a decade.

If they are not selling him high, they should resign him.

 

[d0rkwing]

Anaheim will take him back. Don’t want Vegas having him. We just need to know cost

Would Larsson for Vats & a 3rd be close? Go easy on me I rarely make proposals lol

 

[Liferleafer]

Semi Vatanen is a top 50 scoring D in the league. That makes him first pair. Bottom, but still first.
Player like that is worth a first rounder. Sometimes it takes a decade to draft a D man like that. NJ did not draft any D man like that in more than a decade.

If they are not selling him high, they should resign him.

Not to be a tool here, but how does points make you a top pair? What about, i don't know...defense from a defenseman?

 

[d0rkwing]

This is one of those give to get scenarios in which i would put Liljegren on the table. My concern is Manson's play this year...he looks off, maybe still recovering?

Hard to say, though it’s reasonable to assume he’s still not back to 100% after his injury. In addition, I’m of the opinion that Manson plays his best hockey on a team that has a clear path forward to the playoffs. His best hockey with the Ducks was in the years where they were still clearly in the playoff hunt. Also, the anxiety of thinking he might be traded could be messing with him at some level, and by ripping the bandaid off in sending him to a playoff contender that could be enough to get him back on track. Of course that’s all purely conjecture without anything to back it up, but it kind of resonates? These guys are human and subject to the same worries & stumbles as we are. They just happen to get paid millions doing what they love.

 

[Liferleafer]

Hard to say, though it’s reasonable to assume he’s still not back to 100% after his injury. In addition, I’m of the opinion that Manson plays his best hockey on a team that has a clear path forward to the playoffs. His best hockey with the Ducks was in the years where they were still clearly in the playoff hunt. Also, the anxiety of thinking he might be traded could be messing with him at some level, and by ripping the bandaid off in sending him to a playoff contender that could be enough to get him back on track. Of course that’s all purely conjecture without anything to back it up, but it kind of resonates? These guys are human and subject to the same worries & stumbles as we are. They just happen to get paid millions doing what they love.

Good post, thanks.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Semi Vatanen is a top 50 scoring D in the league. That makes him first pair. Bottom, but still first.
Player like that is worth a first rounder. Sometimes it takes a decade to draft a D man like that. NJ did not draft any D man like that in more than a decade.

If they are not selling him high, they should resign him.

I agree get what you can but a first is good for vats or 2nd and top prospect is just as good

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

I agree get what you can but a first is good for vats or 2nd and top prospect is just as good

In the end they should trade him...

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

The price for Vats will be determined by how many Top 4 RHD with term are truly available to be moved. We have the Leafs, Tampa, Florida and Winnipeg all looking for Top 4 RHD with term. If Dumba, Mason and Ritso all move then the market for Vats will be low. If none of these players move because they are either unavailable or the price is too high then the price for Vats will go up.

 

[Taluss]

1st and prospect, you guys dont have the 1st. I'd really want the 1st for this year... so idk how else the deal would be done. But he would definitely suit the Leafs, idk if I'd go for a UFA at the end of the season tho

 

[samsagat]

I think Vatanen will fetch a 1st rounder.

Top-4 RH 2-way defensemen are a rare commodity.

 

[Forge]

2nd and a prospect is probably what I would see. Not a great prospect, but an okay one.

 

[4thline]

I could see a more "hockey" trade of Vatanen with a contract for one of the young forwards, kind of like stone at the deadline last year

 

[Smitty426]

I could see a more "hockey" trade of Vatanen with a contract for one of the young forwards, kind of like stone at the deadline last year

I'd want KK, we are thin on the right side

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Vatanen is a solid addition. Those saying he’s not good enough defensively I would say are mistaken.

 

[405Exit]

Would Larsson for Vats & a 3rd be close? Go easy on me I rarely make proposals lol

Yah that makes sense. Ducks fans begging for a RHD because Manson sucks. We get a scoring threat on the back end. Ship Manson to Toronto for whatever they want to offer. Top pairing D is fixed. But our forward core is still ass.