Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building | Born in a hurricane with a snake in both fists

[DegenX]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling	$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed	74,298,633​
2016-17 bonus overage	50,000​
Approximate cap space	668,239​

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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Evgeni Malkin	C​	31​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby	C​	30​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​
Phil Kessel	RW​	29​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist	RW​	30​	4,250,000​	UFA​
Carl Hagelin	LW​	29​	4,000,000​	4,000,000​	UFA​
Conor Sheary	LW​	25​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan	C​	25​	2,075,000​	RFA​
Ryan Reaves	RW​	30​	1,125,000​	UFA​
Jake Guentzel	LW​	22​	734,167​	734,167​	RFA​
Josh Archibald	RW​	24​	675,000​	675,000​	RFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Bryan Rust	RW​	25​	640,000​	RFA​
Scott Wilson	LW​	25​	635,000​	RFA​
Tom Kuhnhackl	LW​	25​	625,000​	RFA​
Carter Rowney	C​	28​	612,500​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Kris Letang	D​	30​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​
Justin Schultz	D​	27​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin	D​	26​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​
Olli Maatta	D​	23​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick	D​	32​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​
Ian Cole	D​	28​	2,100,000​	UFA​
Chad Ruhwedel	D​	27​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Matt Murray	G​	23​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry	G​	22​	630,833​	RFA​

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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Zach Aston-Reese	LW​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Adam Johnson	C​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Thomas Di Pauli	C​	23​	742,500​	RFA​
Freddie Tiffels	LW​	22​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Sam Miletic	LW​	20​	710,000​	710,000​	710,000​
Teddy Blueger	C​	23​	705,000​	RFA​
Daniel Sprong	RW​	20​	692,500​	RFA​
Dominik Simon	C​	23​	692,500​	RFA​
Jean-Sebastien Dea	C​	23​	650,000​	RFA​
Garrett Wilson	LW​	24​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Sestito	LW​	29​	650,000​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Andrey Pedan	D​	24​	750,000​	RFA​
Jeff Taylor	D​	23​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Ethan Prow	D​	24​	730,000​	RFA​
Lukas Bengtsson	D​	24​	705,000​	RFA​
Frank Corrado	D​	24​	650,000​	RFA​
Jarred Tinordi	D​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Zach Trotman	D​	27​	650,000​	UFA​
Kevin Czuczman	D​	26​	650,000​	UFA​
Chris Summers	D​	29​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Sean Maguire	G​	25​	705,000​	RFA​
Casey DeSmith	G​	25​	675,000​	675,000​	UFA​

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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​	Contract​
Filip Gustavsson	G​	19​	Lulea HF (SHL)​	3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio	G​	18​	Saint John (QMJHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive	C​	18​	Lethbridge (WHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​

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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​
Niclas Almari	D​	19​	HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello	F​	21​	Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks	D​	21​	Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist	F​	19​	Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg	F​	18​	Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall	D​	19​	Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones	D​	21​	Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty	F​	22​	Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon	D​	18​	Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius	D​	20​	Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund	F​	20​	Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi	D​	18​	Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev	F​	20​	Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips	D​	17​	Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly	D​	19​	RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher	C​	24​	HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[Empoleon8771]

I think if you're going after Schmidt, you offer Vegas Maatta for Schmidt and Haula straight up and work from there. And even then, I'm not all that enthused about that deal because Schmidt and Haula are free agents relatively soon.

I don't think Dumoulin is the guy that gets traded, I think Maatta has more value than Dumoulin and Dumoulin fits the Penguins system better than Maatta does. I do think Maatta is better than Dumoulin, but I think Maatta would be more likely to be traded than Dumoulin.

 

[Ryder71]

Usually indicates both sides getting what they want.

I don't think it's bad value at all. I just am indifferent. lol

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think if you're going after Schmidt, you offer Vegas Maatta for Schmidt and Haula straight up and work from there. And even then, I'm not all that enthused about that deal because Schmidt and Haula are free agents relatively soon.

I don't think Dumoulin is the guy that gets traded, I think Maatta has more value than Dumoulin and Dumoulin fits the Penguins system better than Maatta does. I do think Maatta is better than Dumoulin, but I think Maatta would be more likely to be traded than Dumoulin.

Maatta's play this year has me wanting to keep him around a little longer. Dumoulin for the most part goes under the radar because he's a solid guy in his own end, is a nice guy that tries hard at trying to be effective on the rush, but he's also a guy that needs to be kept away from Letang where he ends up babysitting and renders him useless.

But I can see why teams would want Maatta more right now, production is better, is playing fairly decent defensively...is signed long term.

 

[Ryder71]

And yet hes still better than almost everyone else. You dont trade that unless your getting something elite back

His play this year isn't better actually. He's a defensemen, not a rover, though he plays like it. His offensive acumen is never a question. If he helps set up two goals and directly or indirectly helps give up three, it's a net loss. Nearly half way through the season and it's not getting any better. Offensively HIS stats look great. Good, it'll help with his value. But defensively he's just god awful and has been for quite some time.

 

[bigkam]

Seeing folks claim that Letang has had “an up and down year” might be the funniest thing I have seen in a while. The second part is definitely true. Trading him not only eliminates a gigantic liability on defense, it opens up cap space while getting us assets. This team has proven that it can win a cup without him, and that was when he was actually playing serviceable defense. Regardless, winning 3 in a row is insanely difficult, and I’m convinced the only way we have a shot is with a trade that shakes up the team before the deadline. This team looks and smells stale right now.

 

[ColePens]

Yeah... if you look at JR's trades here.

Neal for Hornqvist and Spaling, the value was at best equal but Hornqvist
1st for Perron was fair when the pick was expected to be in the 20s and he was supposed to fit
Perron for Hagelin was fair but the Pens took on more years
The Kessel trade was a win, win, win
Scuderi for Daley Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Despres for Lovejoy was bad, it worked out but it was a bad value trade
Hainsey was fair enough
Streit was fair enough
Reaves trade was a loss
The Pouliot trade looks like a loss-ish
The Sheahan trade was at least fair but he’d been struggling for awhile.

A lot of his trades have worked out well because the6 won two cups but they weren’t necessarily value wins. It’s something to be fairly nervous about.

On top of this, which I very much agree with, the luck factor is not on our side. All the teams we needed to be sellers are not sellers. Everyone who is a seller really isn't a great partner.

The one team who I feel has been a good trade partner is Ottawa. But the rest really don't meet the criteria.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Also, I'd probably add this. If Sheary gets traded for a center, I think Sprong would get recalled at that point. He's not producing like you'd want him to with WBS so far (he is at 14 goals and 21 points in 23 games, he has a ton of PP goals and PP points) and his defensive game needs work, but I think they'd call him up the second a top-9 spot opens up. It's just a question of how you fit in all of those players into the lineup. With trading Sheary, that means Simon, Guentzel and Rust are your LWers and you don't have that much wiggle room to change that.

I don't get the token line that people keep throwing out that Sprong isn't producing like we want or they want or whomever wants...

He's second in the AHL in goal scoring... 1 goal away from the top slot with two games in hand. As a rookie.

What else are we expecting from a goal scorer who is scoring goals?

 

[Tom Hanks]

I don't get the token line that people keep throwing out that Sprong isn't producing like we want or they want or whomever wants...

He's second in the AHL in goal scoring... 1 goal away from the top slot with two games in hand. As a rookie.

What else are we expecting from a goal scorer who is scoring goals?

Probably because he had a bad stretch of 3 points in 13 games just recently. Not sure when he was scratched but he has 4 goals and an assist in his last 3 games. Maybe it was a gentle wake up call.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't get the token line that people keep throwing out that Sprong isn't producing like we want or they want or whomever wants...

He's second in the AHL in goal scoring... 1 goal away from the top slot with two games in hand. As a rookie.

What else are we expecting from a goal scorer who is scoring goals?

More ES production. Guentzel when he was called up averaged nearly a ES points per game, he had 16 goals and 30 points at ES in 33 games. Sprong is a little over half a ES point/game, he only has 7 goals and 13 points in 23 games at ES. It's really nice that he's scoring a ton of goals on the PP, but he's not needed as a triggerman on a PP unit currently unless the Penguins split up their PP units into 2 units.

Ideally, I'd probably want Sprong at 17 or 18 goals and 26 or 27 points on the year, considering how much he has produced on the PP. Then again, if not for that bad stretch he had, he probably would be at those numbers already, so who knows? I don't actually think Sprong will be better or worse based on how many points he produces, it's not like he'd get EXP for scoring goals or something.

 

[Nakawick]

I don't get the token line that people keep throwing out that Sprong isn't producing like we want or they want or whomever wants...

He's second in the AHL in goal scoring... 1 goal away from the top slot with two games in hand. As a rookie.

What else are we expecting from a goal scorer who is scoring goals?

I thought he would have 50 by now, give or take.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I know people here aren't going to like this, but I'm going to ask anyway. Someone on the trade board suggested Sobotka and maybe a pick or a prospect for Hornqvist. Sobotka is under contract for 2 more years beyond this year at $3.5 million per year. Would you do that deal? As an added caveat, assume you're not going to re-sign Hornqvist when responding.

 

[Ryder71]

I know people here aren't going to like this, but I'm going to ask anyway. Someone on the trade board suggested Sobotka and maybe a pick or a prospect for Hornqvist. Sobotka is under contract for 2 more years beyond this year at $3.5 million per year. Would you do that deal? As an added caveat, assume you're not going to re-sign Hornqvist when responding.

This could get ugly, be prepared.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I know people here aren't going to like this, but I'm going to ask anyway. Someone on the trade board suggested Sobotka and maybe a pick or a prospect for Hornqvist. Sobotka is under contract for 2 more years beyond this year at $3.5 million per year. Would you do that deal? As an added caveat, assume you're not going to re-sign Hornqvist when responding.

Even with that assumption I still say no. I might be pretty bias as he’s one of my favourite players ever but he still will go a long way to helping us win the cup again (and I’m hoping for that re-sign).

There will be better ways. Horny would be on my untouchable list (barring a ridiculously ridiculous overpayment).

 

[WayneSid9987]

Thats a tough one. I'd have to know what the + was to decide.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Here's how I'll put it. I love Hornqvist and I want him re-signed. However, the Penguins will flat out not be able to get a better center for the money than Sobotka, unless McPhee (or Rutherford, for that matter) gets stupid with Haula. If Hornqvist isn't being re-signed, which a lot of what Mackey, JBomb and Yohe are hinting at with their reporting, having him as an untouchable is an extremely faulty decision.

If you move Hornqvist in this deal, you solve your 3C issues for the next 2 and a half years, plus you can replace Hornqvist in terms of in the lineup (as in the Penguins can still have 2 top-6 RWers if they move Hornqvist). If you keep Hornqvist, you have nothing to show for it in 7 months.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Here's how I'll put it. I love Hornqvist and I want him re-signed. However, the Penguins will flat out not be able to get a better center for the money than Sobotka, unless McPhee (or Rutherford, for that matter) gets stupid with Haula. If Hornqvist isn't being re-signed, which a lot of what Mackey, JBomb and Yohe are hinting at with their reporting, having him as an untouchable is an extremely faulty decision.

If you move Hornqvist in this deal, you solve your 3C issues for the next 2 and a half years, plus you can replace Hornqvist in terms of in the lineup (as in the Penguins can still have 2 top-6 RWers if they move Hornqvist). If you keep Hornqvist, you have nothing to show for it in 7 months.

Lose Hornqvist?



I will require a few days to grieve if/when it happens.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Here's how I'll put it. I love Hornqvist and I want him re-signed. However, the Penguins will flat out not be able to get a better center for the money than Sobotka, unless McPhee (or Rutherford, for that matter) gets stupid with Haula. If Hornqvist isn't being re-signed, which a lot of what Mackey, JBomb and Yohe are hinting at with their reporting, having him as an untouchable is an extremely faulty decision.

No player we get back will have the skill set or drive that Hornqvist brings. As I said I’m bias but there are other ways. We can get by with a lesser 3C if we get a great LW too.

Taking out one of the stronger wingers isn’t a good idea when we lack in that area (in WBS too).

 

[Empoleon8771]

Lose Hornqvist?

I will require a few days to grieve if/when it happens.

Same, but I've been unhappy about moves that I knew were good for the Penguins in the past. It's not anything new. It's just pushing up the disappointment for when he leaves to during the season instead of in the offseason.

No player we get back will have the skill set or drive that Hornqvist brings. As I said I’m bias but there are other ways. We can get by with a lesser 3C if we get a great LW too.

Taking out one of the stronger wingers isn’t a good idea when we lack in that area (in WBS too).

Replacing Hornqvist isn't going to be possible most likely. You can replace him to a degree with someone like Guentzel on the PP, but you won't be able to replace him. However, that issue is going to exist regardless of whether you trade him or not, because he's more likely than not leaving in July.

I think people are letting their emotions get in the way of this thought.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Same, but I've been unhappy about moves that I knew were good for the Penguins in the past. It's not anything new. It's just pushing up the disappointment for when he leaves to during the season instead of in the offseason.

No, you're right. During the season means I will be distracted by the loss. In the summer, I'll just breakdown at random moments of energy and hard work.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Same, but I've been unhappy about moves that I knew were good for the Penguins in the past. It's not anything new. It's just pushing up the disappointment for when he leaves to during the season instead of in the offseason.



Replacing Hornqvist isn't going to be possible most likely. You can replace him to a degree with someone like Guentzel on the PP, but you won't be able to replace him. However, that issue is going to exist regardless of whether you trade him or not, because he's more likely than not leaving in July.

I think people are letting their emotions get in the way of this thought.

That aside I think we are a better team with Hornqvist than Sobotka and I’m more interested in the threepeat than next years roster right now.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

That aside I think we are a better team with Hornqvist than Sobotka and I’m more interested in the threepeat than next years roster right now.

I'M AN UGLY CRIER GOD DAMN IT, WHY?!?!

 

[Ogrezilla]

I get making a shake-up type deal. And I get moving a guy if they think he is going to walk. It makes sense to combine those two. But I can't just help but feel that moving Hornqvist is the exact wrong kind of shake-up. First off, it just moves a guy they are expecting to lose in a few months anyway. But more importantly, it's sending the wrong message imo. Hornqvist is one of the only guys who doesn't need shaken up. He plays his ass off every single shift. He is the guy who is doing exactly what we want everyone else to be doing. So using him as the sacrifice seems like it would be counter-productive in terms of shaking up the roster.

Like I said, I get the idea of moving him if they think he'll walk. And there may be moves that make sense long term if they expect that to be the case. But I don't think it would have the desired effect on the locker room that we want from a shake-up trade. If I was in that room and we traded Horny, I'd see it as a trade for next year. It's a throwing in the towel move, not a shake-up.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I'M AN UGLY CRIER GOD DAMN IT, WHY?!?!

She has a commercial for animal cruelty that’s to In The Arms Of An Angel. That one gets me.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

She has a commercial for animal cruelty that’s to In The Arms Of An Angel. That one gets me.

Man,I was mad when we got rid of Tomas Sandstrom, now we might lose Hornqvist...

God damn it.

And yeah that song when they play it for those ads are soul crushing. I will remember you was played when Mario retired before his final comeback. That one was tough too