Sabres Expansion Draft Protection Discussion (Skinner waives NMC for Draft)

[Der Jaeger]

I'd look into what Seattle would be willing to pay if we left Eichel unprotected. Maybe there's a deal there that could fill all the Sabres holes.

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[NotABadPeriod]

Its hard to really wrap around this until decisions are made on Rienhart, Risto, and Olofsson. Trade Risto, and sign or trade Rhino and Victor. Those decisions and what comes back in a trade will greatly effect the protection decision.

There's no decision needed on Risto, just leave him unprotected and protect Dahlin, Jokiharju, and Borgen.

 

[Bendium]

There's no decision needed on Risto, just leave him unprotected and protect Dahlin, Jokiharju, and Borgen.

Completely agree. I want Risto gone, so I was trading him and more concerned with how what we got back would affect the choices. I don't know why people want to to use a protection on him vs a younger player with more upside.

 

[HaNotsri]

I'd look into what Seattle would be willing to pay if we left Eichel unprotected. Maybe there's a deal there that could fill all the Sabres holes.

We get their draft picks for the coming three years and trade however we like with the rest of both team's rosters?

 

[Sabres77]

I say try to trade pics to get them to take skinner, can’t he waive his no trade clause???

 

[Sabres77]

Completely agree. I want Risto gone, so I was trading him and more concerned with how what we got back would affect the choices. I don't know why people want to to use a protection on him vs a younger player with more upside.

You guys are completely high if you want to get rid of Risto or Eichel.

 

[BuffaloGooner]

You guys are completely high if you want to get rid of Risto or Eichel.

Risto is a terrible hockey player and has been for the last 7 years

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

This isn’t a counterpoint. Its a rant because you feel I’ve slighted Asplund some how. I haven’t criticized him at all.

1) I said Bjork is the more established of the two. Thats not an attack on Asplund. Its just pointing out the disparity of experience between the two. Bjork over 147 NHL games has established himself to be at least a bottom 6 winger/PKer. We don’t know yet what Asplund can be since the sample of strong play is so small (13 games under Granato/9 of them with Mitts of his 47 NHL games overall).

2) Bjork cap hit is inconsequential.

3) From your post ....There is zero evidence he has more upside than Asplund who came from 2016 draft versus 2014 for Bjork....

I never said anything like that. This is you perceiving an attack on Asplund that wasn’t there. What I posted was about what Sabres management thought of Bjork. They feel he has more upside potential than the bottom 6 winger/PKer he has been to this point. It wasn’t my opinion and had nothing to do with Asplund.

Sure the cap hit is inconsequential. One guy is controlled and will clearly be less than $1.6 M cap and that doesn't matter? If you protect guys because that's what you got in Hall deal, Sabres have bad management. Bjork could be an okay find, pretty obvious him for Lazar was something Boston demanded. Either way, cap hit is a key factor.

 

[BritSabre]

I really believe Girgensons is going to be the pick. His tenacity, shot blocking and team first attitude are going to be appealing to Seattle attempting to emulate the Vegas' success.

 

[OkimLom]

I say try to trade pics to get them to take skinner, can’t he waive his no trade clause???

If they ask and he accepts, yes, he could waive his no movement clause (just to clarify). There is a difference in the two.

 

[Jim Bob]

What does the Sabres’ impressive youth movement mean for the Kraken and the expansion draft?

Vogl's protected list is:

Forwards:
Skinner
Eichel
Reinhart
Olofsson
Mittelstadt
Bjork
Thompson

Defense:
Dahlin
Jokiharju
Borgen

Goalie:
-None-

Personally, I would protect Asplund over Thompson or Bjork. But, I agree with him on the D.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I think he's good enough to be an NHL backup but the odds are against him. His 0.910 SA is respectable. He's like Chris Driedger or Tim Thomas, one of those guys that's been buried in the minors and never been given a serious opportunity to make the NHL. Teams are always looking for their franchise goalie and they rank guys based on metrics and draft position ahead of guys that are performing better on the ice. Tokarki isn't tall enough.

He's not good enough. He's an AHL back up. I'm done with team if he's part of NHL roster next year.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

So essentially, his COST will be more valuable to the Sabres, not his value as a player, because teams tend to play players based on how they value the player, something Buffalo had no hand in.

The value of a player includes his cost. Not sure why people don't get this. I agree once the coach has his roster, and season starts contract status should mean way less and best players play but the GM assembles the roster and he must do it within the cap. Girgensons is a prime example. I want him ahead of tons of guys once the season starts but at $2.2 M/season his value is okay but no way you protect him.

 

[elchud]

What does the Sabres’ impressive youth movement mean for the Kraken and the expansion draft?

Vogl's protected list is:

Forwards:
Skinner
Eichel
Reinhart
Olofsson
Mittelstadt
Bjork
Thompson

Defense:
Dahlin
Jokiharju
Borgen

Goalie:
-None-

Personally, I would protect Asplund over Thompson or Bjork. But, I agree with him on the D.

Agreed, Asplund over Bjork. And Tage has that upside where I wanna give him one more year.

 

[Blitz]

The safest and smartest (IMO) strategy by far would be to offer Mr. Francis the 2021 BOS 2nd Rounder in a lopsided trade (cond. 7th?) on draft day in exchange for them agreeing to select Girgs, Eakin or Miller in the Expansion Draft.

I'm not content losing Asplund, Thompson, Bjork or a young defender for no return at this point.

 

[Jim Bob]

The safest and smartest (IMO) strategy by far would be to offer Mr. Francis the 2021 BOS 2nd Rounder in a lopsided trade (cond. 7th?) on draft day in exchange for them agreeing to select Girgs, Eakin or Miller in the Expansion Draft.

I'm not content losing Asplund, Thompson, Bjork or a young defender for no return at this point.

I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for that kind of return.

 

[OkimLom]

The value of a player includes his cost. Not sure why people don't get this. I agree once the coach has his roster, and season starts contract status should mean way less and best players play but the GM assembles the roster and he must do it within the cap. Girgensons is a prime example. I want him ahead of tons of guys once the season starts but at $2.2 M/season his value is okay but no way you protect him.

Only after the fact, and when you are looking at the roster as a whole, does cost of the player come in as a value for the player. You can't factor in a players cost value of the player when determining the cost of the player. Not to mention there are other circumstances at play when determining value.

Girgensons for instance, has shown he can play in the top 6 and play a solid role for those lines, as well as having good chemistry with Eichel. If you're playing Girgensons with Eichel, that 2.2 million/season is fantastic value, and probably valued higher than Asplund for the team which you should protect him. Much better value than say having him play bottom 6 minutes. There, he looks overpaid slightly, and looks of less value than Asplund who will most likely get a sub-$1 million/yr contract for middle 6 minutes.

 

[Jim Bob]

Only after the fact, and when you are looking at the roster as a whole, does cost of the player come in as a value for the player. You can't factor in a players cost value of the player when determining the cost of the player. Not to mention there are other circumstances at play when determining value.

Girgensons for instance, has shown he can play in the top 6 and play a solid role for those lines, as well as having good chemistry with Eichel. If you're playing Girgensons with Eichel, that 2.2 million/season is fantastic value, and probably valued higher than Asplund for the team which you should protect him. Much better value than say having him play bottom 6 minutes. There, he looks overpaid slightly, and looks of less value than Asplund who will most likely get a sub-$1 million/yr contract for middle 6 minutes.

I am not trying to be a jerk. I can not unravel what you were trying to get across with that sentence.

 

[Blitz]

I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for that kind of return.

It's going to be a late 2nd in a crapshoot, guessing game draft year -After a missed junior season for a huge chunk the class.

If we're lucky they end up drafting a player AS GOOD AS one of the guys (Bjork, Asplund, Tage) we're trying to protect - 4yrs from now.

That pick is way more valuable to the Kraken than to the Sabres.

 

[Jim Bob]

It's going to be a late 2nd in a crapshoot, guessing game draft year -After a missed junior season for a huge chunk the class.

If we're lucky they end up drafting a player AS GOOD AS one of the guys (Bjork, Asplund, Tage) we're trying to protect - 4yrs from now.

That pick is way more valuable to the Kraken than to the Sabres.

You value guys like Bjork and Thompson way more than I do.

I expect that you could pick up comparable guys in UFA for less than either of them will cost.

 

[OkimLom]

I am not trying to be a jerk. I can not unravel what you were trying to get across with that sentence.

Sorry, it was morning.

"How can you factor in a player's cost for a player's value, while you are trying to negotiate their cost?"

 

[Samsonite23]

I really believe Girgensons is going to be the pick. His tenacity, shot blocking and team first attitude are going to be appealing to Seattle attempting to emulate the Vegas' success.

Last night I thought, "I miss Girgs in the lineup" for the first time all year for some reason. I just kinda forgot about him. He would definitely help our defensive play and puck retention in the bottom 6 right now.

 

[Buffaloed]

It's going to be a late 2nd in a crapshoot, guessing game draft year -After a missed junior season for a huge chunk the class.

If we're lucky they end up drafting a player AS GOOD AS one of the guys (Bjork, Asplund, Tage) we're trying to protect - 4yrs from now.

That pick is way more valuable to the Kraken than to the Sabres.

I think the lack of scouting opportunities is an advantage for the Sabres. Every year the draft is a crap shoot, but the dice are loaded for the teams with good scouting departments.

 

[Ygo]

What about letting Seattle have Olofsson and we get something back from them. As a PP specialist he is a commodity for the Sabres... however, could be important on an expansion team as a credible goal scorer.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Picking two to protect out of Bjork, TT, Girgs, and Asplund will be difficult. But we're only going to lose one, and I have a feeling TT will definitely be one of the ones protected.

Seattle will have a nice selection out of Asplund, Girgs, Risto, and Bryson. Decent quality but they're no impact players. Our situation is fine compared to most others, I don't think any of us will give two shits which of those players were taken once everything is said and done.