Confirmed with Link: Sabres agree with Mattias Samuelsson on a three-year, entry-level contract.

MarkusKetterer · Aug 1, 2020

Djp said:
I don’t want to rush him. Let him get Rochester experience in 20/21, he can get a shot in 21/22.

This. At worst, give him games at the start of the year or end of it. This way you can tell him what he needs to work on over the summer, assuming he knows he’s gotta work on his skating/explosiveness already

Buffaloed · Aug 1, 2020

Djp said:
I don’t want to rush him. Let him get Rochester experience in 20/21, he can get a shot in 21/22.

I only consider it rushing a player if they're not ready to play at this level and you continue to use them or have him watch. The Botterill excuse that they're developing a player by having him watch from the press box means he's not ready.

Buffaloed · Aug 2, 2020

Der Jaeger said:
I will not be surprised if he makes the roster and plays well on the 3rd pair this season. He plays a very mature game for his age.

I think his father taught him to take the quick low wrister from the point instead of the Scandella windup.

MayDay · Aug 2, 2020

First Murray and now Samuelsson.

I see Adams already getting busy in the GM role.

Dex · Aug 2, 2020

MayDay said:
First Murray and now Samuelsson.

I see Adams already getting busy in the GM role.

Old thread........

jc17 · Aug 2, 2020

Der Jaeger said:
I will not be surprised if he makes the roster and plays well on the 3rd pair this season. He plays a very mature game for his age.

I wonder if they are hoping for more young guys on ELCs contributing this year.

Murray can take Girgensons role for half the price and can Samuelsson be worse than bogosian at a 5th of the price?

joshjull · Aug 2, 2020

jc17 said:
I wonder if they are hoping for more young guys on ELCs contributing this year.

Murray can take Girgensons role for half the price and can Samuelsson be worse than bogosian at a 5th of the price?

Murray? As in Brett Murray? It would be terrifying to think that’s the plan.

I agree with you in general that they’re hoping young guys on ELCs/inexpensive deals can take spots. Probably guys like Bryson and CJ Smith though.

TheMistyStranger · Aug 2, 2020

joshjull said:
Murray? As in Brett Murray? It would be terrifying to think that’s the plan.

I agree with you in general that they’re hoping young guys on ELCs/inexpensive deals can take spots. Probably guys like Bryson and CJ Smith though.

The two guys you named have NHL future imo. Smith could step in as a speed guy on the wing, maybe becomes Holzinger-esque with time. Bryson has a future as a middle pairing guy for sure.

HogtownSabresfan · Aug 2, 2020

Buffaloed said:
I only consider it rushing a player if they're not ready to play at this level and you continue to use them or have him watch. The Botterill excuse that they're developing a player by having him watch from the press box means he's not ready.

No joke. Not rushing is an excuse half the time that it was a bad pick just continuing to go down in value. Somehow, some way Leafs have an 2nd round 18-year-old in playoffs tonight. The Sabres have become a joke under the Pegulas. Bad picks. Bd development. Bad contracts. Bad trades. We've done so little right other than with obvious picks like Eichel. I believe even Dahlin would be developing better on another team.

Buffaloed · Aug 2, 2020

I think a comparable to Samuelsson is the Bruins Brandon Carlo. He played 7 games in the AHL as an 18 year old when his junior season ended. He made the Bruins as a rookie and never looked back. Carlo, 6'5" 212lb, was a 2nd round pick (37th overall). He doesn't do anything flashy. He's a solid, physical defensive dman.
Brandon Carlo Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
In 4 NHL seasons his ATOI is 20:22
Brandon Carlo Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Fjordy · Aug 2, 2020

It would be cool if Samuelsson becomes the same as Carlo.

Buffaloed · Aug 2, 2020

Cheese Breadman said:
It would be cool if Samuelsson becomes the same as Carlo.

Carlo just allowed a 2 on 1 that resulted in a Flyers goal. :laugh:

He tried to pinch in to hold the puck in from the point muffed it.

itwasaforwardpass · Aug 2, 2020

Buffaloed said:
Carlo just allowed a 2 on 1 that resulted in a Flyers goal. He tried to pinch in to hold the puck in from the point muffed it.

Thats it. I've lost all hope for Matthias. :sarcasm:

Fjordy · Aug 2, 2020

Buffaloed said:
Carlo just allowed a 2 on 1 that resulted in a Flyers goal. He tried to pinch in to hold the puck in from the point muffed it.

It would be cool if Samuelsson didn't get as bad as Carlo. :laugh:

Snippit · Aug 3, 2020

He probably needs to work on his skating and overall mobility before he’s ready for the NHL. I’d honestly be shocked if he doesn’t need at least a year in Rochester.

Djp · Aug 3, 2020

joshjull said:
Murray? As in Brett Murray? It would be terrifying to think that’s the plan.

I agree with you in general that they’re hoping young guys on ELCs/inexpensive deals can take spots. Probably guys like Bryson and CJ Smith though.

I see Bryson getting a shot next year but I think his tole is more of a third pair Dnan. Samuelson I look at as second pair Dmrn which is McCsbes current slot.

sabremike · Aug 4, 2020

HogtownSabresfan said:
No joke. Not rushing is an excuse half the time that it was a bad pick just continuing to go down in value. Somehow, some way Leafs have an 2nd round 18-year-old in playoffs tonight. The Sabres have become a joke under the Pegulas. Bad picks. Bd development. Bad contracts. Bad trades. We've done so little right other than with obvious picks like Eichel. I believe even Dahlin would be developing better on another team.

Well when your organization is a neverending parade of entry level amateurs and you absolutely refuse under any circumstance to hire actual experienced professionals you end up passing on guys like that to take a guy whose ceiling is as an irrelevant bottom pair make up the numbers plug 5 years from now. As horrible as this org is at developing guys the incompetent scouts and management with Julio Iglesias eyes for talent have been an even bigger one. Samuelson is considered either our 3rd or 4th best prospect. How many other organizations can you think of where he would be ranked that high?

joshjull · Aug 4, 2020

HogtownSabresfan said:
No joke. Not rushing is an excuse half the time that it was a bad pick just continuing to go down in value. Somehow, some way Leafs have an 2nd round 18-year-old in playoffs tonight. The Sabres have become a joke under the Pegulas. Bad picks. Bd development. Bad contracts. Bad trades. We've done so little right other than with obvious picks like Eichel. I believe even Dahlin would be developing better on another team.

I get your anger and frustration with the organization. Its completely justified. But what does the bolded have to do with Samuelsson specifically?

If he starts in the AHL next season because he isn’t ready. That would be perfectly normal for someone drafted where he was entering his D+3 season. The kid in Toronto doing something outside the norm doesn’t change that.

HaNotsri · Jun 25, 2022

I think Samuelsson will surprise many next season, could see him shine as a puck mover on top of his stellar defense. As excited about him as Dahlin/Power.

jmelm · Jun 25, 2022

HaNotsri said:
I think Samuelsson will surprise many next season, could see him shine as a puck mover on top of his stellar defense. As excited about him as Dahlin/Power.

I think Sammy will always be well valued and loved by Sabres fans and a minority of others on the outisde, but he'll be perpetually underrated by average fans and much of the media because of Power & Dahlin. Heck, I would argue Kris Letang is the most underrated player in the last 10-12 years because of Crosby & Malkin, even though he's the #1 Dman. But people are stupid

p.s. I got excited for a split second when I saw this thread bumped because I thought we signed him to an extension before I saw the ELC in the title (and realized it's not July 13th yet) :laugh:

Dirty Dog · Jun 25, 2022

sabremike said:
Well when your organization is a neverending parade of entry level amateurs and you absolutely refuse under any circumstance to hire actual experienced professionals you end up passing on guys like that to take a guy whose ceiling is as an irrelevant bottom pair make up the numbers plug 5 years from now. As horrible as this org is at developing guys the incompetent scouts and management with Julio Iglesias eyes for talent have been an even bigger one. Samuelson is considered either our 3rd or 4th best prospect. How many other organizations can you think of where he would be ranked that high?

That is quite the anti-Samuelsson rant!

Fjordy · Jun 25, 2022

I hope he has better luck next season and doesn't get injured, but the guy is fearless and constantly blocks shots.

Dex · Jun 25, 2022

sabremike said:
Well when your organization is a neverending parade of entry level amateurs and you absolutely refuse under any circumstance to hire actual experienced professionals you end up passing on guys like that to take a guy whose ceiling is as an irrelevant bottom pair make up the numbers plug 5 years from now. As horrible as this org is at developing guys the incompetent scouts and management with Julio Iglesias eyes for talent have been an even bigger one. Samuelson is considered either our 3rd or 4th best prospect. How many other organizations can you think of where he would be ranked that high?

Dirty Dog said:
That is quite the anti-Samuelsson rant!

All I can say is that the rant :blah:

you quoted - from August of 2020 - does not appear to have aged well. At all.

sabremike · Jun 25, 2022

Dex said:
All I can say is that the rant you quoted - from August of 2020 - does not appear to have aged well. At all.

Sir he was redeemed by the all powerful Giraffe Gods:

sabremike · Jun 25, 2022

Edit: Double Post. So as not to have been a total waste here is a picture in which he expresses his love for the basketball deity AI:

Confirmed with Link: Sabres agree with Mattias Samuelsson on a three-year, entry-level contract.

Shoulda got one game in

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