Ryan Johansen offer sheet

[rowf]

If you were Tim Murray, would you offer Columbus' Ryan Johansen a 3 year $7 million offer sheet and give up 2-1st rounders, and 2nd, and 3rd?

I say no way, as he's had just the one good year.

Your thoughts?

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[OkimLom]

If you were Tim Murray, would you offer Columbus' Ryan Johansen a 3 year $7 million offer sheet and give up 2-1st rounders, and 2nd, and 3rd?

I say no way, as he's had just the one good year.

Your thoughts?

If we could do it next year, yes. But if we have to give up this year's, then no.

 

[stokes84]

If you were Tim Murray, would you offer Columbus' Ryan Johansen a 3 year $7 million offer sheet and give up 2-1st rounders, and 2nd, and 3rd?

I say no way, as he's had just the one good year.

Your thoughts?

McDavid. Eichel. That should answer your question.

I do think we could put together a good offer though.

Stl. 1st + 2016 1st + Lemieux + Hodgson

 

[Tapu Coco]

I've said before that I'd kill for him in a sabres jersey, but there's no way I would pay him any amount that would require our 2015 first as compensation ($3,364,392 M+, not to mention he's only had one good season to go by), and obviously he wouldn't take that contract barring some ridiculous TPegs signing bonus a la Ehrhoff. If it were next year, as mentioned, id be for it

I'd also be for a trade akin to what stokes posted, assuming he's signed. I wouldn't give that much for solely his rights.

But if it's true that Johansen and CBJ are apart on negotiations...he could get the money he wants here

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Columbus would match. Begrudgingly, but they aren't going to let him go that easily.

 

[Tapu Coco]

Columbus would match. Begrudgingly, but they aren't going to let him go that easily.

Johansen is a great player, but if he was offered $7 million/year based on a relatively small sample size, and the compensation is a top 2 pick in the deepest draft since 2003/2013, a pick maybe in the ~10 range in 2016, and 2 extra picks...I'd let him walk. CBJ would be taking a step back short term but the player they get with that top 2 pick alone would take them farther than Johansen can now

And I doubt adding Johansen would make our picks lower, I don't feel like digging it up but everyone's crunched the numbers of how vast improvements in our GF/GA ratio and overall point amount won't even move us one spot

Edit: and I get that historically, teams tend to hold onto RFAs regardless of compensation (see vanek), but I think letting Johansen walk in this hypothetical scenario would be the right move for CBJ in the end. Similarly, if we were given the chance to make another decision on the vanek offer sheet...I would imagine that we would reconsider the decision Darcy made. Hindsight is 20/20, but it's projecting something similar in the future. If CBJ matched and we ended up with mcdavid/whatever else, it would be similar to us asking now, what if we let go of vanek and got hall/RNH/etc

 

[cardiffgiant]

McDavid. Eichel. That should answer your question.

I do think we could put together a good offer though.

Stl. 1st + 2016 1st + Lemieux + Hodgson

Exactly. A team doesn't intentionally tank only to lose its 1st round pick in an offer sheet. Our 2015 1st alone is potentially worth more to us than Johansen, let alone 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 3rd.

 

[JThorne]

Don't forget that Johannsen would then screw up the salary structure for this team. He's asking for the moon on Columbus and would also want it here. And keep wanting it here.

BIG no thanks.

 

[haseoke39]

Noooooooooooope

McEichel > Johansen.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Noooooooooooope

McEichel > Johansen.

This. There's almost nothing I'd move that pick for right now.

 

[rowf]

Agreed

Thanks for validating my thoughts, idiots on Twitter were saying bona-fide star better than a chance at a good prospects

 

[Chainshot]

Offersheet? **** no. Make a competitive trade offer? Sure. But this year's first is off the table.

 

[Jim Bob]

Offersheet? **** no. Make a competitive trade offer? Sure. But this year's first is off the table.

I don't see the fit if Jarmo is in the same Win Now mindset as the HFB C'Bus fans.

 

[Jame]

20% chance at McDavid (best case scenario) vs bonafide young star #1 center

I'll take the certainty and the acceleration it gives the rebuild

 

[haseoke39]

20% chance at McDavid (best case scenario) vs bonafide young star #1 center

I'll take the certainty and the acceleration it gives the rebuild

**** I forgot McDavid was the only player in the draft this year.

 

[Jim Bob]

20% chance at McDavid (best case scenario) vs bonafide young star #1 center

I'll take the certainty and the acceleration it gives the rebuild

But what if it takes Reinhart AND the Sabres 1st in 2015?

 

[Paxon]

20% chance at McDavid (best case scenario) vs bonafide young star #1 center

I'll take the certainty and the acceleration it gives the rebuild

I don't see why you'd leave Eichel out of the equation.

It's all moot because he isn't going to accept a 3 year $7m offer sheet, he's only going to accept an offer sheet if it has huge term.

 

[stokes84]

20% chance at McDavid (best case scenario) vs bonafide young star #1 center

I'll take the certainty and the acceleration it gives the rebuild

I don't see why you'd leave Eichel out of the equation.

Yeah, that. Especially since in the other thread, you have let your feelings be known about our chances of improving out of that spot as being very slim..

 

[rowf]

20% chance at McDavid (best case scenario) vs bonafide young star #1 center

I'll take the certainty and the acceleration it gives the rebuild

I'd like to know what certainty, he's had one productive year.

What about 2 previous years where he was healthy scratch in the AHL.

Tylers Myers had great year and we gave him huge $$ and term and how how that turned out so far?

 

[Jame]

But what if it takes Reinhart AND the Sabres 1st in 2015?

No thanks. The goal is to pair Reinhart and another top tier center...

To meet that goal I'll take the guarantee that is Johansen

 

[Jame]

Yeah, that. Especially since in the other thread, you have let your feelings be known about our chances of improving out of that spot as being very slim..

Because in Eichel vs Johansen we are taking about 2 players likely to end up in the same ball park... So the advancement of the rebuild due to johansen's development and age is a no brainer.

 

[stokes84]

I don't see the fit if Jarmo is in the same Win Now mindset as the HFB C'Bus fans.

CBJ fans are against the idea of him leaving, period. But I think if they really get backed into a corner, they are going to have to open their minds up because no matter who they trade for, they aren't going to have a better NHL roster without him.

 

[Jame]

I'd like to know what certainty, he's had one productive year.

What about 2 previous years where he was healthy scratch in the AHL.

Tylers Myers had great year and we gave him huge $$ and term and how how that turned out so far?

I am certain. I've watched him play.

(It's certainty in the context of the conversation - 17-18 yr old future draft picks)

 

[stokes84]

Because in Eichel vs Johansen we are taking about 2 players likely to end up in the same ball park... So the advancement of the rebuild due to johansen's development and age is a no brainer.

Well, we're going to disagree by miles on this one. Eichel >>>>>>>>>>> Johansen in the long run.

 

[Crazy Tasty]

I'd like to know what certainty, he's had one productive year.

What about 2 previous years where he was healthy scratch in the AHL.

McEichel has had 0 productive years in the NHL.

Tylers Myers had great year and we gave him huge $$ and term and how how that turned out so far?

apples and oranges.