Value of: Ryan Ellis

[Porter Stoutheart]

Yeah. We've never heard a player say they want to finish their career in a certain place and then price themselves out. That's never happened before.

And we've never seen a team walk away from a highly priced UFA and replace that player with a capable rookie on an ELC. Nope never.

Either way, we should have a better idea of which way it's heading later in the summer. That's really the time when it would make more sense to continue this thread. Not now. Either he'll sign an extension and we know he's sticking around (at least until the expansion draft anyway) or he won't and the odds of walking as a UFA rise correspondingly. Plus we'll see how the Preds spend their $10M in cap space in July first, that may also inform their decision on the Ellis file.

 

[Juxtaposer]

He's very good, but I don't see it, but it's hf. I'm sure people think much worse dman are much better than they actually are.

You mean like Shea Weber? Yeah, I agree.

Ryan Ellis was a top pairing defenseman before HF admitted it. But I’m sure you’d know better than me.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

You mean like Shea Weber? Yeah, I agree.

Ryan Ellis was a top pairing defenseman before HF admitted it. But I’m sure you’d know better than me.

This is why hf is terrible. Everyone gets offended so easily.

I've seen your posts for years now and you've never changed.

If I were you I wouldn't respond ad I have no intention of responding to your blatant attempts to change the subject when you can't defend your point

 

[Viqsi]

This is why hf is terrible. Everyone gets offended so easily.

I've seen your posts for years now and you've never changed.

If I were you I wouldn't respond ad I have no intention of responding to your blatant attempts to change the subject when you can't defend your point

This is a curious response from one who's only been registered for two weeks.

Ellis is a top-pairing guy. He's been capable of it for a long while and he's played that role repeatedly alongside Josi for the last two seasons. It's not debatable.

 

[elitepete]

This is why hf is terrible. Everyone gets offended so easily.

I've seen your posts for years now and you've never changed.

If I were you I wouldn't respond ad I have no intention of responding to your blatant attempts to change the subject when you can't defend your point

Everything he said is correct. Ellis has been a top pairing defensemen for a long time, and only got credit for it recently.

 

[Juxtaposer]

This is why hf is terrible. Everyone gets offended so easily.

I've seen your posts for years now and you've never changed.

If I were you I wouldn't respond ad I have no intention of responding to your blatant attempts to change the subject when you can't defend your point

Offended? Good lord. I didn’t know we were getting into an honest to goodness debate. But it’s strange that I have to prove that Ellis is a top pairing defenseman when you don’t have to prove that he isn’t.

I don’t know whether to be flattered or creeped out that you stalk my posts for years, apparently.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Rights to JVR (Cond 2nd)
Connor Carrick
Leafs 1st RDP

If they dont Sign JVR they get an additional 2nd in 2019

Rielly - Ellis
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev

Lol that’s awful. And in what world are JVRs rights worth a 2nd? More like a 6th

 

[Liferleafer]

Rights to JVR (Cond 2nd)
Connor Carrick
Leafs 1st RDP

If they dont Sign JVR they get an additional 2nd in 2019

Rielly - Ellis
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev

That's pretty ugly for the Preds.

 

[A91]

He's making 2.5 million?
Yea no way Nashville even thinks about moving him.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Look ahead to 2920. They have $43M in 6F and 2D.

In 2922 is when Shea Weber’s low contract salary seasons kick in so there is a potential $6M or more recapture kicking in that needs to budgeted for.

If we assume the 2020 cap is $81M.....they gives them $38M to fill the roster.

They need to sign Josi. Say $8M
They will have Fiala, Scissins, Hartman, and Tolvanen to sign..say combine with bridges its $10 M.

Then a goalie and backup...budget $6M for both here.

Thus makes their roster...10F, 3D, and 2G for $67M

Ellis price likely $6M. Then that means $8M left for 7 players. Tight budget.

Other issue with a 2020 expansion they will prefer to go 7-3-1 thus exposing one of the top 4 Dman.


They could sign Ellis then expose a UFA Josi to the expansion draft then sign him after. Very risky.

They would probably prefer to trade him for a vet Dman that is older with 2 yrs left and a young draft exempt ELC who could be nhl ready in 2020. Thus could be a vet Dman and a 1sr thus year in a deal. And they use the 1st on a Dman.

You posted the same thing a couple weeks ago and I debunked it then.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

In what world is Puljujarvi worth a 27 year old top-pairing two-way RHD?

In the salary cap world, unfortunately.

 

[Liferleafer]

He's very good, but I don't see it, but it's hf. I'm sure people think much worse dman are much better than they actually are.

Really? The guy is playing top pair on one of the best defensive teams in the league, what don't you see?

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Would like to have a d man on the Flyers of Ellis’ caliber but I would imagine the cost being very high and also with Seattle expansion coming it would be to risky as the Flyers may very well be losing on the the young defenders come expansion time.

 

[justafan22]

2018 toronto 1st, bracco, nielsen and x?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

2018 toronto 1st, bracco, nielsen and x?

... where x is something really good you don't want to give up... so, again, no. Ellis isn't moving yet.

 

[ThirdManIn]

Yeah. We've never heard a player say they want to finish their career in a certain place and then price themselves out. That's never happened before.

And we've never seen a team walk away from a highly priced UFA and replace that player with a capable rookie on an ELC. Nope never.

I think the point was that you oversimplified the situation with your "he'll walk" comment. It's not so cut and dry.

 

[SupremeNachos]

Look ahead to 2920. They have $43M in 6F and 2D.

In 2922 is when Shea Weber’s low contract salary seasons kick in so there is a potential $6M or more recapture kicking in that needs to budgeted for.

If we assume the 2020 cap is $81M.....they gives them $38M to fill the roster.

They need to sign Josi. Say $8M
They will have Fiala, Scissins, Hartman, and Tolvanen to sign..say combine with bridges its $10 M.

Then a goalie and backup...budget $6M for both here.

Thus makes their roster...10F, 3D, and 2G for $67M

Ellis price likely $6M. Then that means $8M left for 7 players. Tight budget.

Other issue with a 2020 expansion they will prefer to go 7-3-1 thus exposing one of the top 4 Dman.


They could sign Ellis then expose a UFA Josi to the expansion draft then sign him after. Very risky.

They would probably prefer to trade him for a vet Dman that is older with 2 yrs left and a young draft exempt ELC who could be nhl ready in 2020. Thus could be a vet Dman and a 1sr thus year in a deal. And they use the 1st on a Dman.

This does not bode well for the value of our money if it's still the same 900yrs from now.

 

[Zaywop]

Juulsen + Mete + 3 2nds

 

[3416]

Leafs offer Connor brown, Jake Gardiner and a 2nd. If Nashville's smart they take that and run.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Leafs offer Connor brown, Jake Gardiner and a 2nd. If Nashville's smart they take that and run.

We'd rather be stupid.

 

[3416]

We'd rather be stupid.

Ok, be stupid. You don't get anywhere Defensemen that can't play defence.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Ok, be stupid. You don't get anywhere Defensemen that can't play defence.

So you suggest we take Jake Gardiner?

 

[3416]

So you suggest we take Jake Gardiner?

And promptly trade him for a 1st.

 

[JetsFan815]

The Jets can offer Tyler Myers and one of Marko Dano/Nic Petan. Preds probably say no.

 

[Soundgarden]

Juulsen + Mete + 3 2nds

This proposal is actually interesting for Nashville, would Montreal give up that much though?

Leafs offer Connor brown, Jake Gardiner and a 2nd. If Nashville's smart they take that and run.

This one is not.