RW/C Elias Pettersson - Växjö Lakers HC, SHL (2017, 5th, VAN) Part 3

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  1. Nucky10

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    updated my post btw.
     
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    I saw that, we mostly agree I’d be happy with Pettersson posting around the same numbers as Nylander in his first two NHL seasons, hell I’d be happy with 10 points less.
     
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    It’s not cherry picking when it’s true.

    You guys are essentially comparing Pettersson’s 19 year old season to Nylander’s 18 year old season.

    Nylander didn’t play a single game in the SHL as a 19 year old. On the flip side he was in the NHL by that time.

    Pettersson should be a good one, but every Canuck fan should be thrilled even if he’s slightly worse than Nylander, that alone is quite a player.
     
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    If Pettersson has the same rookie season as Nylander, I would be very thrilled indeed.
     
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    There is no agreement on this in the community wether to use D+1 or birth year, everyone has an opinion,that should be clear not displayed as fact. Its also hard to compare when we dont know at what age each player started playing to gauge how much more development one had over the other.
     
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    Scouts and player development people have been talking about age/late birthdays for ages.

    I'm not saying development is linear, but lets not act like there is no difference comparing a mostly 19 year old season with a purely 18 year old one.
     
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    Also, let's not inflate the age difference. Nylander is a May birthday while Pettersson is a November so the age difference in their respective D+1 is six months.
     
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    As long as you consider Nylander's rookie season to be 2016/17 then yes (he played 22 games in 2015/16)
     
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    That's a big difference at that age.

    It's big enough gap to ensure that Nylander didn't play a single game of pro-hockey in his D+1 as a 19 year-old.
     
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    Either way...Pettersson broke a 42 year old record and led the SEL in scoring as a teenager. He is pretty good.
     
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    If he produces at the same rate nylander has so far in his career, it's a good thing for the canucks.

    He's a likely 55-65 point player year in and out
     
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    With that logic
    Laine is much better than Mathews, because he’s almost a year younger than him
     
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    Who said there was, but they were born a little more then 5 months apart in their draft year, you are putting enormous emphasis on this based on your view of birth year being the superior indicator and method to evaluate prospects, I personally dont hold that strong of belief on the subject unless we are discussing extreme examples, such as someone born in late September and someone born in july. Thats just my personal view when I have evaluated two players and how much of an impact this theory might actually have especially when I dont know at what age these kids started playing in their development.

    Hockey people also use draft season as well, again no consensus on this.
     
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    Well thats the thing then, by this logic what laine is doing this year should be compared to what mathews did last year since laine is a younger then him.
     
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    If you buy into the 6 month age difference being a factor, then the difference in physical maturity should also be a factor.
     
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    It won't fit the narrative so that can't be used in debate.
     
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    I'd be surprised if he doesn't produce better than that TBH.
     
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    Tbh, Laine is proving to be as good as Matthews.
     
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    So....
    As soon as a prospect turns 19 in the middle of the season, his achievement should be discredited a bit because it automatically count as D+2 even though it’s actually his D+1 season.

    That sounds about right, it doesn’t matter that the kid is still a rookie in the SHL regardless.
     
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    Where is the kys emoji?
     
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    If EP develops into a center (I think he will, smart player suited for the center position) They have great depth at that position (Horvat, Pettersson, Gaudette and Sutter)
     
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    It’s funny because tanks to the weird argument brought up by that leafs fan, I think we all kinda forgot that it’s not actually a 6 months difference but 2 years and 6 months.
     
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    Just want to add that all of these are bull craps.
    The real reasons why it’s hard to compare these two players are
    1. They were drated 3 years apart
    2. Nylander never played a full season in the SHL
     
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    so was Bo Horvat, Jake Virtanen and Jonah Gajovich.
     

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