Holy do I miss that jersey. Does someone have an in at the Sens merchandising or marketing dept? We need to retire this crap 3D Sen at the end of the season.
They didn't pass on Tarasenko because he was Russian. That was just a stupid HF theory. There was an overall belief at the time that Russians were a risk to not come over but that was felt by all GMs
The actual story is that the Sens had their heart on Jaden Schwartz but had the deal with St. Louis on the table before the draft for Rundblad. Once Schwartz was gone, the Sens had Rundblad ranked higher than any prospect.
How is it not true? They have not drafted a Russian in 9 straight drafts. I take the point that there are few Russians in the NHL made above, but the proof is in the pudding. When there are Russian guys, particularly those still in Russia, on the board who are worthy of the sens pick the sens seem to prefer similar prospects from elsewhere.
Counter arguments based on rumours about the sens "liking" someone don't prove anything, particularly in cases where we could have taken those players and chose to pass. (Not saying we passed on Svechnikov because he is Russian, just that this clearly isn't evidence ottawa would draft a Russian)
Burmistrov is also a different situation as IIRC when those rumours surfaced he was already in the NHL. Same with Filatov.
You guys can have your opinions, I see it as true until it isn't anymore.
Not what happened in the real world.
Actually yes that's exactly what happened. They had a chance to draft Tarasenko and didn't. How you can deny that is beyond me, he was available and they were on the board when they traded the pick away.
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Yes, we also had several opportunities to draft Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Who's to say we had any interest in Tarasenko?
Do I really need to explain why those comparisons are absolutely terrible? Zetterberg is Swedish for one thing and neither one of them were top prospects heading into the draft.
I am to say they had no interest in Tarasenko because they refuse to draft out of Russia which is mistake, has nothing to do with budget.
Actually yes that's exactly what happened.
They had a chance to draft Tarasenko and didn't. How you can deny that is beyond me, he was available and they were on the board when they traded the pick away.
And no it's not "trading up" when the guy was drafted 3 years earlier. Kind of like how picks lose their value a bit as soon as the pick is made
Those are interesting for sure but fact of the matter is that if thy don't draft a Russian this year it will make 10 years since the last Russian was drafted by us.
Melnyk anti Russian theory???? Wasn't it Melnyk who pushed Murray into signing aging Kovalev. Not a draft pick and pre-invasion but just saying.....
How is it not true? They have not drafted a Russian in 9 straight drafts. I take the point that there are few Russians in the NHL made above, but the proof is in the pudding. When there are Russian guys, particularly those still in Russia, on the board who are worthy of the sens pick the sens seem to prefer similar prospects from elsewhere.
Counter arguments based on rumours about the sens "liking" someone don't prove anything, particularly in cases where we could have taken those players and chose to pass. (Not saying we passed on Svechnikov because he is Russian, just that this clearly isn't evidence ottawa would draft a Russian)
Burmistrov is also a different situation as IIRC when those rumours surfaced he was already in the NHL. Same with Filatov.
You guys can have your opinions, I see it as true until it isn't anymore.
We wanted Burmestrov before the actual draft, when it came out that we were interested in Schwartz/Burmestrov/Forbert. We had a deal in place with St. Louis if those guys were not available at 17.
We tried this very draft to trade up and get Sergachev.
It's very clear that while they haven't drafted a Russian, if we like the player, it doesn't matter, Russian or not, we will take them.
I doubt any team heads to the draft with the mindset they have to draft a Russian because it has been a long time in doing so.
For a number of those years there was major concern Russian players would opt to stay and play in the KHL rather than spend time playing for peanuts in the AHL.
For many teams I'm sure there is still hesitancy in drafting a Russian kid in the mid to later rounds for the same reason.
Today, I believe Ottawa would draft a top Russian prospect if they were in a position to do so.
I get that that's what you believe, however given that liking a Russian enough to pick him or trade the assets necessary to do so has not happened, I don't believe the same thing.
I hope you're right but for now I don't buy it.
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James Duthie doesn't talk out of his ass, he's not a rumor monger or unconnected, especially with Ottawa.
We also never traded for Drouin, that means we didn't want him according to this logic. Unless it happens it's a rumor?
Something doesn't have to come to fruition for it to be fact.
Not unless it happens, but until it happens yes it's a rumour. A rumour can have legs but still be a rumour. Much like Lazar apparently being on a conditioning stint in Binghamton, until the Sens actually draft someone playing in Russia, can't say it's clear they would. Certainly not under the Murray regime anyways.
Not unless it happens, but until it happens yes it's a rumour. A rumour can have legs but still be a rumour. Much like Lazar apparently being on a conditioning stint in Binghamton, until the Sens actually draft someone playing in Russia, can't say it's clear they would. Certainly not under the Murray regime anyways.
It's not like they never have. If you want to go based on fact. Fact is they have.
Well considering I've clearly been talking about the Murray era (note the comparison to Muckler) yes I can say they never have if you want to go based on fact.
It is fact he did not draft a Russian, although he traded for one.
And signed two.
Clearly the players nationality is secondary to the likelyhood that player will help the team.
It's kinda funny that we have people saying until we draft a player, they will continue to believe the rumours and supposition that we are unwilling to draft russians, but they are unwilling to let rumours from fairly well renown sources suggesting us trying to make a move to draft a russian change that belief.
Apparently some will choose to believe the rumour that fits your existing belief regardless of when facts (signed russians Kovalev and Gonchar, and traded for Russian Filatov, brought russian prospects in for on ice sessions prior to draft) combined with rumours (tried to trade up for Sergachev) suggest that there is no unwillingness to bring russians into the fold when they think the player can help the team.
If you think a concern of Russians playing in Russia refusing to come over, refusing a demotion to the AHL, or using the KHL as leverage during negotiations had absolutely nothing to do with that... I've got a bridge to sell you.
There was a time when drafting Russian players, particularly those playing overseas, came with a warning label: Proceed with caution.
That was due in large part to the "Russian factor," the perceived risk associated with drafting a Russian player who could opt to sign and play in the Kontinental Hockey League instead of coming to North America. A team drafting a Russian player who decided to play in the KHL effectively had wasted a pick.