Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: "Wheat Kings and Pretty Things, Let's See What The Expansion Draft Brings

[Fixed to Ruin]

The Lucic comparison is pretty silly. He started declining around the 850 game mark of his career.

Hyman has played 370 games.

Hyman's first full NHL season was when he was 25. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

 

[McDNicks17]

Hyman's first full NHL season was when he was 25. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

That's exactly the point haha.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You aren't signing Hyman for what he can do in six years.

Exactly this, I cannot figure out why more people don't understand this

 

[McSuper]

If one is an NHL player and the other isn't... Kassian > Benson

That isn’t necessary true . The AHL player doesn’t hurt the parent club . An over paid 3 rd liner cap hit can hurt the NHL team . Making the AHL player more valuable to the team .

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

That isn’t necessary true . The AHL player doesn’t hurt the parent club . An over paid 3 rd liner cap hit can hurt the NHL team . Making the AHL player more valuable to the team .

It is, right now, absolutely true

 

[Mr Positive]

Why should we accept a deal for Hyman that we know will be bad by the end? We aren't a team like Pittsburgh that knows they'll rebuild by then

 

[BarDownBobo]

What free agent put Tampa Bay over the top the last two seasons.

And for every Toffoli there are 5 lucic, neal ect that don't workout.

 

[Marty McSurly]

The Oil should stay away from all these top free agent wingers, unless they can get them around 5.5M aav (unlikely?).

Free agency should really be used to add value contracts (Tatar and maybe Schwarz) and depth players up front. The Oil need so much help that blowing their wad on a single winger won't make a huge impact.

If they do want to spend money it should be on a D like Hamilton. He would transform this team. Putting him and Nurse on separate pairings eating up 45 mins combined would be amazing.

 

[Anarchism]

Not as a long term option. He’s still a good 4C and would be cheap to sign. Also gives us a right shot that’s good on face offs and can PK.

You dont think right now might be a prime opportunity to 'fix' that position.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You dont think right now might be a prime opportunity to 'fix' that position.

McLeod is likely the 4th line center, but getting a veteran to support him and the line, Ryan, Glendenning, those guys are perfect fits

 

[bellagiobob]

If you are a subscriber, lots of good links to various team articles in this piece by Burnside.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Its dangerous for Holland to deal with Yzerman and he shouldn't do it alone but who in organizations has the brains and clout to help him.? But Yzerman has the 1LW we need and at the right cap number and if they play the game right is available.

Who, Dylan Larkin?

He'll cost a fortune and is only signed for two years.

Idk about this idea

 

[Reginald Dunlop]

Who, Dylan Larkin?

He'll cost a fortune and is only signed for two years.

Idk about this idea

I'm thinking Tyler Bertuzzi. Start with 1st rounder + Samorukov and keep going if needed.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Montreal trying to spread rumors that Price is completely busted is entertaining. Hope Seattle picks him anyways and doesn't believe it.

They could also grab Klefbom as a gamble also. Do you pick Benson or Khaira, or take a shot at Klefbom. Eeeeek!

 

[McDNicks17]

Why should we accept a deal for Hyman that we know will be bad by the end? We aren't a team like Pittsburgh that knows they'll rebuild by then

Because if you don't, you might as well take every single UFA option off the menu.

 

[McDoused]

What free agent put Tampa Bay over the top the last two seasons.

And for every Toffoli there are 5 lucic, neal ect that don't workout.

Oiler fans have to stop using Tampa Bay as the model team for 2 reasons.

1. They drafted well and got a ton of value in the later rounds. The Oilers are essentially past that point.

2. The lighting were like 20 million over the cap and you cant really replicate that.

 

[48g90a138pts]

I'm thinking Tyler Bertuzzi. Start with 1st rounder + Samorukov and keep going if needed.

Oh is that who he was thinking?

I can't remember what injury did he have. Concussion? I recall a upper body but that's it.

I'd need more info before speculating on getting Bertuzzi.

 

[Fourier]

I'm thinking Tyler Bertuzzi. Start with 1st rounder + Samorukov and keep going if needed.

I would not pay that price. Bertuzzi is really a younger version of Hyman. He will also be looking to get paid. You will be looking at $5.5M to resign him.

 

[Reginald Dunlop]

Oh is that who he was thinking?

I can't remember what injury did he have. Concussion? I recall a upper body but that's it.

I'd need more info before speculating on getting Bertuzzi.

A back injury of some sort that required surgery. Definitely a reason to give me pause but also the only reason we may be able to afford the trade price.

 

[McDNicks17]

Oiler fans have to stop using Tampa Bay as the model team for 2 reasons.

1. They drafted well and got a ton of value in the later rounds. The Oilers are essentially past that point.

2. The lighting were like 20 million over the cap and you cant really replicate that.

Just draft a Norris and Vezina winner.

It’s easy.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

29 year old Hyman: "He's done. His body is broken."

38 year old Keith: "He's got plenty left in the tank!"

1 player has 2 seasons left on his contract the other one is asking for 6+ years there is a tad bit of difference. How anyone can want Hyman after the Lucic/Neal debacle is perplexing.

 

[Reginald Dunlop]

I would not pay that price. Bertuzzi is really a younger version of Hyman. He will also be looking to get paid. You will be looking at $5.5M to resign him.

That's possible but keep in mind the difference in linemates between the two. Makes Bertuzzi's numbers much more impressive imo. Due to his injury may be a bit cheaper than previously thought also.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Just draft a Norris and Vezina winner.

It’s easy.

Or draft two Art Ross winners.

 

[Cloned]

What free agent put Tampa Bay over the top the last two seasons.

And for every Toffoli there are 5 lucic, neal ect that don't workout.

Tom Brady?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I see the Tampa model a bit like the 80s Oilers model.

80s Oilers model, keep the best teenager on the planet through weird shady deals. Then draft multiple Hall of Famers in the 1st couple of draft years, then you dominated.

You can do some things that Tampa does, but finding late rounders who become top-10 players in the world, Hedman becoming a modern Pronger and vasaleski(sp) becoming a top-5 goaltender aren't things you can plan for