Proposal: Rumors & Proposals Thread II | I Dealt The Word 'Trade' For A Thread Count. Discuss

[McOvechking]

I'm not at all in love with Drai for Faulk, either. That's a deal I think we come to regret.

I more-or-less agree, but according to the main board we would have to add the 4th overall to get Carolina thinking about it.

Also thought I'd bring up this post I made last year, showing how far back these Faulk for Draisaitl talks have gone on for:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showt...ighlight=faulk+draisaitl+oilers#post105190427

Last time I posted, the mods let it fly. I'm running on the assumption that it's okay still. If other mods or posters have any issues, please feel free to report/delete my posts. I texted my friend this morning asking for updates on Oilers situation. He replied by saying (and I'm paraphrasing), that the Oilers offered Nikitin + 1st in 2016 + Scrivens for Ward and Skinner. Canes were to retain salary on one if not both contracts. Ron Francis/Carolina responded by inquiring about Draisaitl, to which Chiarelli responded by inquiring about Faulk. Surprisingly, both sides seemed interested. Contract talks with Franson have stalled while both sides see if there is a deal to be worked out.

Again, take this with a grain of salt. I'm not yet sure of the validity of his sources or his personal integrity.

Pretty hilariously bad offer of Nikitin + 1st + Scrivens for Ward + Skinner if that part was true. Good god.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I more-or-less agree, but according to the main board we would have to add the 4th overall to get Carolina thinking about it.

Also thought I'd bring up this post I made last year, showing how far back these Faulk for Draisaitl talks have gone on for:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showt...ighlight=faulk+draisaitl+oilers#post105190427



Pretty hilariously bad offer of Nikitin + 1st + Scrivens for Ward + Skinner if that part was true. Good god.

At the time, yeah, but that would basically boil down to 4th overall for Skinner now. Bullet dodged.

 

[lakai17]

A 3rd to STL for Sobotka?

We need to get on the Sobotka wagon. He will not be pricey and this team needs that type of veteran center.

If not him perhaps Frans Nielsen.

Both reliable defensive centers.

 

[lakai17]

Jaccob Slavin a young stud d in Carolina going right under the radar as well.

Or James Wisniewski could probably be had for cheap from Carolina with a year left on his contract.

 

[McBooya42]

I'm looking at how motivated Hall is when he plays for Team Canada vs. Oilers.

I'm also looking at how bad the Oilers are and how good the individual players are.

I think it's pretty obvious that there are locker room issues. I think even Yakupov has alluded to it.

That's confusing a personal opinion with facts...they are two completely separate things.

 

[s7ark]

I'm not at all in love with Drai for Faulk, either. That's a deal I think we come to regret.

We need a 1D and there are good big Cs in this draft.

Drai for Faulk
Yak + 32nd for Brodin
3rd for rights to Sobotka
Sign Eriksson and a backup goalie(Montoya?)
Draft Dubois

Hall - McDavid - Eriksson
Maroon - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Sobotka - Kassian
Hendricks - Letestu - Pak
Korpse, Lander

Sekera - Faulk
Klefbom - Brodin
Davidson - Reinhart
Fayne

Talbot
Montoya

 

[oilcountry17]

We need a 1D and there are good big Cs in this draft.

Drai for Faulk
Yak + 32nd for Brodin
3rd for rights to Sobotka
Sign Eriksson and a backup goalie(Montoya?)
Draft Dubois

Hall - McDavid - Eriksson =15.8 m
Maroon - RNH - Eberle = 13.5 m
Pouliot - Sobotka - Kassian = 8.5
Hendricks - Letestu - Pak = 4.8
Korpse, Lander 3.5

Sekera - Faulk =10.3
Klefbom - Brodin =8.3
Davidson - Reinhart =3
Fayne 3.625

Talbot
Montoya

Cap???? F46+ d26.63+ g 5.5 - 78 mil i assume eriksson is 6 m and sobotka is 3 mil Montoya 1.3 ish

 

[Young Lions*]

We need a 1D and there are good big Cs in this draft.

Drai for Faulk
Yak + 32nd for Brodin
3rd for rights to Sobotka
Sign Eriksson and a backup goalie(Montoya?)
Draft Dubois

Hall - McDavid - Eriksson
Maroon - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Sobotka - Kassian
Hendricks - Letestu - Pak
Korpse, Lander

Sekera - Faulk
Klefbom - Brodin
Davidson - Reinhart
Fayne

Talbot
Montoya

I'd rather target Shaw than Sobotka and would rather have a different RW on the third line (eg Weise or Parenteau). Nor am I sold on Brodin as a RHD option (or at all really), but if nothing else comes up, I could live with it.

 

[s7ark]

Cap???? F46+ d26.63+ g 5.5 - 78 mil i assume eriksson is 6 m and sobotka is 3 mil Montoya 1.3 ish

Good point. Might have to dump Pouliot, Korpse and Fayne for cheaper options. That's 10M.

 

[lakai17]

What do you toss Columbus for the 3rd overall + Prout?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I more-or-less agree, but according to the main board we would have to add the 4th overall to get Carolina thinking about it.

I wouldn't bother much with the main boards for rational discussion when it comes to the Oilers pick. Partly because people are sick of the Oilers need a defenceman threads, but also because they know the team's desperate, so they can jack up the price mainly by devaluing the assets here. I mean we're to the point were the 4th overall is seemingly worth nothing more than a 2nd pairing defenceman.

Another good example is the 1st overall. Recall when the Oilers had a good shot at it, the consensus was they were going to need to add Hall to the offer to get Arizona to not hang up the phone in an offer for OEL.

Nowadays it's OEL+ for the pick.

 

[Tarus]

I'm looking at how motivated Hall is when he plays for Team Canada vs. Oilers.

I'm also looking at how bad the Oilers are and how good the individual players are.

I think it's pretty obvious that there are locker room issues. I think even Yakupov has alluded to it.

Hall looked highly motivated throughout the first half of the season. It wasn't until the injuries piled on, the defensive situation got worse, and the season was pretty much lost that we got less intense performances from him.

There have been rumblings of locker room issues for years on the Oilers though, which shouldn't be surprising for a perpetually losing team that has employed some very bad vets, coaches, and GMs. Most of the signs of possible strife have died down since Eakins was kicked to the curb, along with Perron punted out of town.

 

[Not Robin Brownlee]

I wouldn't bother much with the main boards for rational discussion when it comes to the Oilers pick. Partly because people are sick of the Oilers need a defenceman threads, but also because they know the team's desperate, so they can jack up the price mainly by devaluing the assets here. I mean we're to the point were the 4th overall is seemingly worth nothing more than a 2nd pairing defenceman.

Another good example is the 1st overall. Recall when the Oilers had a good shot at it, the consensus was they were going to need to add Hall to the offer to get Arizona to not hang up the phone in an offer for OEL.

Nowadays it's OEL+ for the pick.

I really don't get how or why people care about what other people value oiler players? honestly, who cares? Its all hope and ideas that has absolutely ZERO bearing on anything. who cares what the 'main board' thinks.. who's the main board, who are we? it has no significance.

 

[Consultant]

What about Stralman?
He's a righty and could be available if Tampa decides to reup Hedman to a big deal this summer (could be above 8 per year...).
I wonder how much of Stralman's strong season is due to playing with Hedman? I think they were paired together.
His contact is $4.5 a year for a couple more years, he is 29.
Or maybe Sustr, that guy is huge...

 

[Tarus]

I really don't get how or why people care about what other people value oiler players? honestly, who cares? Its all hope and ideas that has absolutely ZERO bearing on anything. who cares what the 'main board' thinks.. who's the main board, who are we? it has no significance.

What?! Are you saying GMs don't consult HFboards before they make trades?

 

[PKSpecialist]

What about Stralman?
He's a righty and could be available if Tampa decides to reup Hedman to a big deal this summer (could be above 8 per year...).
I wonder how much of Stralman's strong season is due to playing with Hedman? I think they were paired together.
His contact is $4.5 a year for a couple more years, he is 29.
Or maybe Sustr, that guy is huge...

Tampa has a pile of FA's over the next few years, Both restricted and unrestricted. I think we should all be cheering for them to win the cup. I think that would put them on cap hell, making many players available. If they sign stamkos, there is a good chance they will be listening to offers on Hedman. Drouin has impressed in the playoffs and will need a new deal soon. Players like Palat, Killorn, Sustr, Vasilevsky will be due raises. As the Blackhawks know, success inflates these players value, and decisions will have to be made.

 

[Young Lions*]

Tampa has a pile of FA's over the next few years, Both restricted and unrestricted. I think we should all be cheering for them to win the cup. I think that would put them on cap hell, making many players available. If they sign stamkos, there is a good chance they will be listening to offers on Hedman.

Not a snowball's chance. Why would they? He's probably their most valuable player, moreso even than Stamkos.

 

[Consultant]

Not a snowball's chance. Why would they? He's probably their most valuable player, moreso even than Stamkos.

Let's not get off topic. Point is very little chance of Stamkos staying, Hedman is rightfully their priority. So as PKSpecialist says TB may be the place we find our Right Dman. Any comment on that?

 

[Paralyzer008]

Looking at NJ, I don't think they'll want to move out Severson.

The right side looks pretty good with:

Larsson
Severson
Santini

That could be dangerous for them.

Left side? Andy Greene, John Moore are staying on. With Seth Helgeson ready to get in the lineup and a Helgeson-Santini defensive pairing being possible, I can see Jon Merrill being available.

Think moving Gelinas out meant Severson stays though.

 

[Young Lions*]

Let's not get off topic. Point is very little chance of Stamkos staying, Hedman is rightfully their priority. So as PKSpecialist says TB may be the place we find our Right Dman. Any comment on that?

There's no player on Tampa that fits the profile of what we need and there's no reason for them to shake things up.

 

[s7ark]

Let's not get off topic. Point is very little chance of Stamkos staying, Hedman is rightfully their priority. So as PKSpecialist says TB may be the place we find our Right Dman. Any comment on that?

Stralman would be great. But I expect they will hold on to him and Hedman.

 

[awesomo]

LMAO i called for stralman many years ago while he was a UFA many years ago might have been before NYR. Someone on HFoil was like nah hes just some junk player.

So funny how times have changed

 

[Paralyzer008]

LMAO i called for stralman many years ago while he was a UFA many years ago might have been before NYR. Someone on HFoil was like nah hes just some junk player.

So funny how times have changed

There was a contingent of people who wanted Stralman, including me. The charge was led by good ol' Tyler Dellow.

Who knows if he wanted to sign here though. TB isn't moving him out so it's a pipe dream.

 

[Aceboogie]

What about 4th overall for Lindholm?

Reasons: Anahiem is in a bit of a cap crunch and number of young D, 2 big RFA ones. They want a cheap young forward for Vatanen. This accomplishes their goal of opening up cap space. Lindholm is >> vat man. But 4th overall can get a forward >> a guy like Tartar.

Lindholm is a left hand D, but he is legit top pairing

If not, OS him at 6.5-7M

 

[Aceboogie]

I dont know how much of a legit chance this has of working. But what about a duel offersheet?

Offersheet 1: Vatanen for X years at 3.7 million. Compensation is a 2nd round pick
Offersheet 2: Lindholm for x years at 5.6 million. Compensation is 1st and 3rd round pick

Total combined cap hit: 9.3 mil. Noteable UFAs probably to resign (and old cap hits) Stewart (1.7) MgGinn (2.95) Perron (3.8)

Noteable RFAs Pirri, Rakell, Anderson

They have about 18M in cap space. so 9.3 could really throw a wrench into things, most noteable a Rakell contract. Greater chance Ducks let one OS go. And each offersheet is pretty cheap cap hits and not much compensation. Biggest issues: do the players sign them?

Maybe Ducks arent the best team to duel OS actually. I wrote all that and realized players have to sign them. To much research to delete