Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick 48, Carter Hart, G, Everett (WHL)

[Tripod]

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Who's the 5?

Neuvirth
Elliott
Hart
Stolarz
Lyon

I'm just trying to remember. Trade/Cut Stolarz.

Stolarz has played 7 NHL games.

2.07 GAA and .928 SV%

I would hate to trade him when he could be an NHL level goalie.

Lyon 11 games: 2.75 GAA and .905 SV%

SSS

 

[Hiesenberg]

Then trade/cut Lyon.

I don't care about either one of them.

 

[Rebels57]

Then trade/cut Lyon.

I don't care about either one of them.

Trade Mr. Glass and use Lyon as Elliotts backup.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Trade Mr. Glass and use Lyon as Elliotts backup.

Or that. Out of those 5 goalies, I literally care about 1 of them.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

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Stolarz has played 7 NHL games.

2.07 GAA and .928 SV%

I would hate to trade him when he could be an NHL level goalie.

Lyon 11 games: 2.75 GAA and .905 SV%

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Miniscule sample sizes for both. Stolarz exhibited atrocious rebound control in his brief NHL stint, and was probably lucky to put up those stats, and that was before multiple knee injuries (also, his AHL stats over a much larger sample are middle of the pack for AHL goalies). Lyon had some brutal performances mixed into his 11 game NHL stint, not exactly earning an NHL spot when he had a golden opportunity (hence the Mrazek trade, who was even worse). To Lyon's credit, he at least had a hot 2nd half (and most of the playoffs) in the AHL, but I really don't think he's a guy on which you feel comfortable placing your NHL playoff hopes if your NHL starter gets hurt.

 

[Appleyard]

Tbf to Lyon he was arguably the best goalie over the season for the Flyers... of course, he had some bad moments and is a very small sample... but less bad moments than any of the other goalies.

 

[SanBlom]

f*** Elliot

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Tbf to Lyon he was arguably the best goalie over the season for the Flyers... of course, he had some bad moments and is a very small sample... but less bad moments than any of the other goalies.

Eh, he gave up at least 3 goals in 5 of his 11 appearances (and one of his 11 appearances was only 8 minutes, which shouldn't really count).
He only played 5 full games, got pulled in 2 of his 7 starts.

I'll give you that he was better than Mrazek, but Neuvirth overall was better than Lyon (both had bad moments, Neuvirth had more good ones).

Elliott gave up at least 3 goals in 19 of his 43 appearances. Slightly better ratio than Lyon. Also had a slightly better save % than Lyon .909 vs. .905.

So the only goalie I'd say Lyon was better than was Mrazek.

 

[The Madrigal]

Neuvirth is a good goalie but he is might be literally the most injury prone goalie in the league. He can't be counted on. Elliott is the definition of average. Mrazek is garbage. The expectations weren't all that high for Lyon that might be a factor but I thought he played pretty well in the small NHL sample size we saw from him. In a perfect world I would cut bait with glass man, average man, and garbage man, and bring someone in via trade and make Lyon the back up. Sadly it will likely be another year of Elliott being mediocre at best and Neuvirth having a "lower body injury" for most of the year.

 

[Striiker]

I’m gonna make a bold prediction and say that Neuvirths new training makes a difference and he doesn’t have a major injury all year (nothing that keeps him out for more than a week at a time).

 

[wasup]

You can talk GAA all you want a lot of the time you have to look at the team in front of him. Quality chances against , lucky bounces deflections etc ... can bugger stats up badly

 

[Rebels57]

I’m gonna make a bold prediction and say that Neuvirths new training makes a difference and he doesn’t have a major injury all year (nothing that keeps him out for more than a week at a time).

Knowing him, he'll be injured during his "new training."

Theres zero chance of an injury-free season from Neuvirth.

 

[The Madrigal]

Knowing him, he'll be injured during his "new training."

Theres zero chance of an injury-free season from Neuvirth.

You ever see the movie Unbreakable? My guess is Neuvirth experienced the same thing at birth that Samuel L. Jackson's character did.

 

[Striiker]

Knowing him, he'll be injured during his "new training."

Theres zero chance of an injury-free season from Neuvirth.

Oh no no no no no
Not injury-free, I'm not insane. I'm saying nothing long-ish term (week+). Maybe a bunch of short-ish term injuries.

 

[Rebels57]

Oh no no no no no
Not injury-free, I'm not insane. I'm saying nothing long-ish term (week+). Maybe a bunch of short-ish term injuries.

Thats as optimistic an outlook as one could possibly hope for.

 

[Striiker]

Thats as optimistic an outlook as one could possibly hope for.

Yep... I'm hoping. I like Neuvirth and really hope he can have a good season. We need to transfer this voodoo curse on to someone else, like Weal.

 

[magnumpi]

Mark this down - if Carter Hart during the first month of his NHL career doesn't like Jacques Plante and Ken Dryden then there will be an element immediately calling him a bust.

 

[Appleyard]

Eh, he gave up at least 3 goals in 5 of his 11 appearances (and one of his 11 appearances was only 8 minutes, which shouldn't really count).
He only played 5 full games, got pulled in 2 of his 7 starts.

I'll give you that he was better than Mrazek, but Neuvirth overall was better than Lyon (both had bad moments, Neuvirth had more good ones).

Elliott gave up at least 3 goals in 19 of his 43 appearances. Slightly better ratio than Lyon. Also had a slightly better save % than Lyon .909 vs. .905.

So the only goalie I'd say Lyon was better than was Mrazek.

You are probably right on reflection with Neuvirth... he was the best when he played, but because of how injured he was all year easy to forget that.

Lyon did have both a better sSV% (sv% vs exSV%) than Elliott and also a better GSAA though.

He also had the best High Danger sv% on the team, and best Low Danger sv% too. Albeit his MD sv% was the worst.


I mean, either way he is at best a ~solid backup going forward I think.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Mark this down - if Carter Hart during the first month of his NHL career doesn't like Jacques Plante and Ken Dryden then there will be an element immediately calling him a bust.

As long as he likes Hextall and Parent

 

[Curufinwe]

Lyon has a really small NHL sample size, but I think he did enough to avoid being put on waivers In October.

Unless he's bad at training camp.

 

[SanBlom]

I’m gonna make a bold prediction and say that Neuvirths new training makes a difference and he doesn’t have a major injury all year (nothing that keeps him out for more than a week at a time).

Bold, indeed!

 

[The Madrigal]

Mark this down - if Carter Hart during the first month of his NHL career doesn't like Jacques Plante and Ken Dryden then there will be an element immediately calling him a bust.

Not this guy. Its going to take him.some time. Even when he finally makes the NHL the idea that he will come right in and carry the load for a contending team is probably wishful thinking. All the more reason to add a decent goalie and to not buy into the idea that Elliott/Neuvirth are/were just place holders for Hart.

 

[KrazyKat]

During the beginning of the season before Elliott got hurt, he played pretty well. No one was really talking crap about him then. But after his injury and Hakstols poor usage of him in the playoffs, he is easy to be hated on. He looked useless. We should have went with Mrazec/Lyon in the playoffs, and written off Elliott / Nuevirth against the pens.

That being said, i think Elliott/Nuevirth/Lyon are all useless at the NHL level now. I would get rid of both of em. And target someone new. Rinne?? for 1 more year, share the net with Hart. Have Lyon and Stolarz play AHL duties again. If hart cant handle sharing the net, send him down, bring up whomever is better out of Stolarz / Lyon. Which i still believe is Stolarz.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Hextall wouldn't axe the guys with experience for Hart to begin in the NHL this year. This is coming from someone that thinks it's more likely than not Hart sees NHL time this season.

 

[David St Hubbins]

Will come down to camp. Barring an injury, one of Neuvirth/Stolarz/Lyons will be sent down and another will be sent packing/traded. Elliott will be the starter unless he is that injury.