Roster Speculation 2016-17 Part II

[Doug Prishpreed]

Don't forget,

Plenty of talk on this forum of moving Kane, Girgensons and a 1st rounder for a defenseman as well. A Classic GMTM 3 for 1 deal.

I mean after all, this team is very close!


And we have an infinite amount of assets to squander.

Don't forget,

a guy who is under contract for one more year before going to UFA is not nearly as valuable as a guy under comctract for several more years at a good rate, all else being equal. Not even close. You don't seem to be able to comprehend this fact.

 

[Butt Ox]

How the **** did we get so many Bisco's?

 

[Mattilaus]

Kane Bogosian for

Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux, 1st Rounder.


5 for 2.

I don't count Kasdorf bcuz that's like throwing in a bag of pucks.

I probably should have said 2 for 1. Either way, he certainly knows how to wheel and deal.

Even if we were to ignore Kasdorf for some reason and say it is 2 for 1, he has done like one other trade which was 2 for one and that was the ROR trade (4 for 2). Most of his trades are 1 for 1 or even 1 for 2.

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Buffalo_Sabres/1

 

[Gordo21]

It is laughable how many posts are on this forum proposing a Kane, 2nd Roster Player and 1st Rounder for someone like Tanev who isn't even anything special.

If that ridiculousness were to happen, we can look at the acquiring and subsequent unloading of Kane by this organization as the single biggest factor of why this team is stuck in the mud.

It would be incredible really.


Trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a complete joke.

 

[Crazy Tasty]

It is laughable how many posts are on this forum proposing a Kane, 2nd Roster Player and 1st Rounder for someone like Tanev who isn't even anything special.

If that ridiculousness were to happen, we can look at the acquiring and unloading of Kane by this organization as the single biggest factor of why this organization is stuck in the mud.

It would be incredible really.


Trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a joke.

How many times are you going to keep saying the same exact thing?

 

[Jame]

Trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a joke.

Irrational

 

[hizzoner]

I think that posters have figured out how to buy (high) even if he does not know how to sell. Don't do it Tim!

 

[ZZamboni]

It is laughable how many posts are on this forum proposing a Kane, 2nd Roster Player and 1st Rounder for someone like Tanev who isn't even anything special.

If that ridiculousness were to happen, we can look at the acquiring and subsequent unloading of Kane by this organization as the single biggest factor of why this team is stuck in the mud.

It would be incredible really.


Trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a joke.

keep ignoring everyones posts asking you to explain yourself

 

[Sabretooth]

How many times are you going to keep saying the same exact thing?

perhaps these will help:

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/49/Argument-by-Repetition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam

 

[Paxon]

It is laughable how many posts are on this forum proposing a Kane, 2nd Roster Player and 1st Rounder for someone like Tanev who isn't even anything special.

If that ridiculousness were to happen, we can look at the acquiring and subsequent unloading of Kane by this organization as the single biggest factor of why this team is stuck in the mud.

It would be incredible really.


Trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a complete joke.

Kane isn't anything special. He's not a legit 1st line player. Meanwhile, Tanev is a top-pairing player. On top of that, Tanev is under contract for three more seasons while Kane is under contract for only one more season. Tanev has not been accused of assaulting women. Ask any neutral party and they will tell you that Tanev holds more trade value than Kane. That doesn't mean you should want to trade Kane+ for Tanev, but it does mean statements like "trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a complete joke" have little merit. This team has a surplus of young wingers, giant holes on defense, and Kane is likely not going to be here after next season. Where exactly is the punchline to this complete joke?

Your post is very repetitive of your other posts while not bothering to address any of the points others have made. Why respond if you aren't going to actually respond?

 

[dasaybz]

Kane isn't anything special. He's not a legit 1st line player. Meanwhile, Tanev is a top-pairing player. On top of that, Tanev is under contract for three more seasons while Kane is under contract for only one more season. Tanev has not been accused of assaulting women. Ask any neutral party and they will tell you that Tanev holds more trade value than Kane. That doesn't mean you should want to trade Kane+ for Tanev, but it does mean statements like "trading Kane for Tanev straight up would be a complete joke" have little merit. This team has a surplus of young wingers, giant holes on defense, and Kane is likely not going to be here after next season. Where exactly is the punchline to this complete joke?

Your post is very repetitive of your other posts while not bothering to address any of the points others have made. Why respond if you aren't going to actually respond?

Tanev is a top pairing player based on what? Are there analytics supporting this statement? I'm legitimately curious. I read on the trade boards Tanev being floated around for Kane and I thought it was ridiculous also, but if there's analytics or anything suggesting that he is a legit first pairing guy, I may have to at least consider this.

 

[Der Jaeger]

keep ignoring everyones posts asking you to explain yourself

He did. He'll re-post the video of Tanev tripping without being touched. Ironclad evidence of abilities.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't think fixing the defense will be that tough of job.

- Kane for defender.
- Nylander/1st/Baptiste/Girgensons/Bailey (some combo) to Vegas/other team for a defender.

Sign Hainsey to play with Bogosian.

McCabe - Ristolainen
X - Y
Hainsey - Bogosian

X and Y are filled through the above trades.

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Illustratively, here's a way Murray can do it:

- Trade Kane to Anaheim for Fowler (re-sign Fowler immediately, in ROR fashion).
- Trade Baptiste, Borgen, and a 2017 2nd to Vegas for Jason Demers (acquired in expansion draft).

Fowler - Ristolainen
McCabe - Demers
Hainsey - Bogosian
Gorges

or

- Trade Kane to Vancouver for Tanev.
- Trade Baptiste, Borgen, and 2017 2nd round pick to Vegas for Calvin de Haan (acquired in expansion draft).

de Haan - Ristolainen
McCabe - Tanev
Hainsey - Bogosian
Gorges

Remember, trades are just illustrative to show how GMTM might work the roster in the future (crossing fingers this doesn't turn into a debate on the value of the individual trades).

 

[sabrebuild]

Kane is absolutely a first line player and a top 10-15 LWer. He is 25th in goals per game amongst all players since 2011 and there are only 7 LWers with a better gpg average (and one of them is Ilya Kovalchuk). So if Tanev is a top pairing dman then Evander Kane is a LW1. Which is the truth. Tanev is a solid #2 and Kane is a LW1 who is one of the most complete LWers in the game. To insinuate there are 30 LWers better then Kane overall is just patently false.

Kane isn't anything special though is in the top 6 amongst active NHLers in goals per game at his position the last 6 seasons, is an elite forechecker, has elite speed, one of the most physical players in the game, is a good PKer and can fight but yeah he's nothing special

One of the most complete wingers in the game..... wow.

Gordo, your move.

 

[ZZamboni]

We have a exaggeration face-off here in the Roster speculation thread. This is fun.