GDT: Roster Building XVIII: Trade Deadline Week!

[Unsustainable]

We will get Chyrchyn and Toffoli

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I'm just fascinated by the differing views on goaltending, on this site and off. Some feel that a big name is needed to win and a team should do what is necessary to acquire it. Goaltending is the most important position in hockey!

Where does that narrative come from? Is it a generational thing? HOF or even just memorable goalies are all over the Stanley Cup winners list in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. Roy and Brodeur combined for 6 cups in 11 years (1993-2003). Ranford and Osgood are the great outliers.

It's been a very different story in the cap era. There are outliers galore. Ward is relevant to us, but he's a young goalie that got hot to those outside of this market. Late career Osgood, Niemi, Murray (x2), Binnington, Kuemper and Hill have all had ups and downs over the longer term as well. Consistent top tier goalies like Price, Luongo, Lundqvist, Miller, and Rinne all retired cupless.

 

[The Jerk Store]

I don't know if it would work but a Necas - x - Skinner line could be entertaining (or panic inducing) to watch.

This is the O version of the TDA-Orlov pairing. No thank you.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

My personal bet is that Carolina's Plan B is Zegras. Distressed assets is what the Canes like to play around with when the big fish isn't there, and contractually-speaking, it makes way too much sense if the price is fair (aka. generic Drury + prospects and picks package). Brind'Amour can shelter him in a spot somewhere like 4C until his defense is up to snuff, then slowly move him up the lineup.

Plan C is IMO a small forward rental in the 3rd round pick range. Pacioretty or Zucker makes sense in that regard.

 

[Borsig]

goaltending isn't the issue when you score 1 goal a game.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Here are the current cap hits of players I have seen rumored the canes may be pursuing :

Henrique - $1,456,250
Vatrano - $912,500
Jenner - $937,500
Mittlestat - $625,000
Bushnevich - $1,450,000
Erikksson Ek - $1,312,500
Nelson - $1,500,000

@mikeyfan

I really like Vatrano’s game. He’s not a big guy but he fully commits on the forecheck, like a Jarvis or Martinook. He’d be less of an offensive contributor for the Canes than for the Ducks, but he knows how to find the net. He’ll finish this season with close to 35 goals which is a hell of a thing to pick up at the TDL. We have an abundance of wingers but we also have guys who are likely to get injured in a playoff environment. I think we’d get a ton of value out of him during a playoff run.

I’ve also liked Henrique for a long time. He’s overslotted on a bad team, but he’s a really solid middle-6 center who would resolve our weakness down the middle. Ultimately that might be more important than getting the BPA.

Defense

This but unironically. Necas is exceptional at getting the puck into the scoring area with his speed, but fumbles it often. Skinner is exceptional at burying loose pucks when the defense is off balance.

Put those guys next to a Kotkaniemi, who doesn’t even have the ability to keep pace and will have no choice but to back them up defensively. It could be the kind of line that blows up offensively while not giving up too much defensively.

Also, Skinner would go the hell off on this team’s power play.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I'm just fascinated by the differing views on goaltending, on this site and off. Some feel that a big name is needed to win and a team should do what is necessary to acquire it. Goaltending is the most important position in hockey!

Where does that narrative come from? Is it a generational thing? HOF or even just memorable goalies are all over the Stanley Cup winners list in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. Roy and Brodeur combined for 6 cups in 11 years (1993-2003). Ranford and Osgood are the great outliers.

It's been a very different story in the cap era. There are outliers galore. Ward is relevant to us, but he's a young goalie that got hot to those outside of this market. Late career Osgood, Niemi, Murray (x2), Binnington, Kuemper and Hill have all had ups and downs over the longer term as well. Consistent top tier goalies like Price, Luongo, Lundqvist, Miller, and Rinne all retired cupless.

People love big names across any position and most fans, like some GMs, still live in the pre cap world were trading a ton of futures at the deadline made sense.

 

[spockBokk]

Although Zegras is the “name” from the Ducks potentially available, Vatrano stands out as a Canes-like target. Term left at a reasonable number too.

I don’t see how’d they’d get Zegras without sending Necas the other way and that kinda defeats the whole purpose of wanting to add offense. Necas pretty much is the driver of that 2nd line now.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Although Zegras is the “name” from the Ducks potentially available, Vatrano stands out as a Canes-like target. Term left at a reasonable number too.

I don’t see how’d they’d get Zegras without sending Necas the other way and that kinda defeats the whole purpose of wanting to add offense. Necas pretty much is the driver of that 2nd line now.

Vatrano makes sense if the price tag is around a 2nd rounder+prospect. I think that he'll require more than that.

 

[Stickpucker]

I wanna see Skinner in the POs. Jeff back to Carolina at 50% and some slug stink remover for Cliff Pu

Who else misses saying

GET SKINNED!!!

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm just fascinated by the differing views on goaltending, on this site and off. Some feel that a big name is needed to win and a team should do what is necessary to acquire it. Goaltending is the most important position in hockey!

Where does that narrative come from? Is it a generational thing? HOF or even just memorable goalies are all over the Stanley Cup winners list in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. Roy and Brodeur combined for 6 cups in 11 years (1993-2003). Ranford and Osgood are the great outliers.

It's been a very different story in the cap era. There are outliers galore. Ward is relevant to us, but he's a young goalie that got hot to those outside of this market. Late career Osgood, Niemi, Murray (x2), Binnington, Kuemper and Hill have all had ups and downs over the longer term as well. Consistent top tier goalies like Price, Luongo, Lundqvist, Miller, and Rinne all retired cupless.

It’s survivor bias. Every year the Cup is awarded to a team whose goalie played well enough to win a Cup.

 

[Lempo]

Funny all this Ducks talk, considering how Canes involved themselves in the Luybushkin trade that was no business of theirs.

 

[Chrispy]

Two players who like to carry the puck themselves and don't hesitate to skate 1-on-3 into a turnover.

What role should the center play in that situation?

Role 1) Kotkaniemi as high forward. And by high I mean "in the defensive zone".
Role 2) Jordan Staal in a similar role, but sometimes crashing the net 5 minutes later.

 

[moses malone 12]

My personal bet is that Carolina's Plan B is Zegras. Distressed assets is what the Canes like to play around with when the big fish isn't there, and contractually-speaking, it makes way too much sense if the price is fair (aka. generic Drury + prospects and picks package). Brind'Amour can shelter him in a spot somewhere like 4C until his defense is up to snuff, then slowly move him up the lineup.

Plan C is IMO a small forward rental in the 3rd round pick range. Pacioretty or Zucker makes sense in that regard.

i think Plans B and C make sense. I like the idea of Zegras playing for RBA assuming he buys in. Personally, I would pursue Butchnevich from St louis. he has 1 year left so the cost would be steep. Think lindholm trade type comp - 1st, prospect (Morrow) and 2nd prospect or roster player. Not sure what it would take.

I think he could be a nice fit on Aho's wing. Plus he gives mgmt. flexibility in the offseason re: Turbo, martinook and Noesen negotiations.

thoughts?

 

[The Faulker 27]

I'm just fascinated by the differing views on goaltending, on this site and off. Some feel that a big name is needed to win and a team should do what is necessary to acquire it. Goaltending is the most important position in hockey!

Where does that narrative come from? Is it a generational thing? HOF or even just memorable goalies are all over the Stanley Cup winners list in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. Roy and Brodeur combined for 6 cups in 11 years (1993-2003). Ranford and Osgood are the great outliers.

It's been a very different story in the cap era. There are outliers galore. Ward is relevant to us, but he's a young goalie that got hot to those outside of this market. Late career Osgood, Niemi, Murray (x2), Binnington, Kuemper and Hill have all had ups and downs over the longer term as well. Consistent top tier goalies like Price, Luongo, Lundqvist, Miller, and Rinne all retired cupless.

I think some of it could be recency bias given how atrocious our goal tending was for a while there.

 

[Tryamw]

Tune in to find out.

Must I?

 

[Tryamw]

I don't know if it would work but a Necas - x - Skinner line could be entertaining (or panic inducing) to watch.

Probably not for those that have heart issues

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I agree with them. JR doesn't want to trade EP40, but he was willing to if push came to shove.

Just like Aho didn't want to play for MTL, but he was willing to if push came to shove.

They are using the negotiating tools at their disposal.

Pretty much this I'd say. If JR thought making that trade gave the Canucks a better chance to win the cup he pulls the trigger. He's not worried about 3-4 years down the road.

 

[Lempo]

Must I?

You must, you must.

 

[whiskers]

Wait what? i knew the Leaf got Ilya Lyubushkin But why did Waddell get into this trade , we retained salary we could maybe use and gave a player too ,for a low 6th round which is almost a 7th round pick , sorry i dont get it , i know its less than 700k and Slepets probably will never reach NHL level just its just stupid

 

[Sigurd]

Since I missed the earlier EP talks, I must say that although it seems unlikely, it sure would be nice if Pettersson did NOT extend with Vancouver, and then presumably, we're able to get him (probably during the summer and not during Vancouver's playoff push).

I think I'd even get an EP jersey if we actually got him. The super star tier forward we've been wanting to acquire for years now.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Wait what? i knew the Leaf got Ilya Lyubushkin But why did Waddell get into this trade , we retained salary we could maybe use and gave a player too ,for a low 6th round which is almost a 7th round pick , sorry i dont get it , i know its less than 700k and Slepets probably will never reach NHL level just its just stupid

1) Slepets will probably never reach the NHL level.
2) This salary retention won't prevent Carolina from making moves at the deadline.
3) While a 6th round pick is minor, if the Canes didn't take this retention, some other team would have.
4) Sometimes GMs value a relationship with other GMs so doing a nothing deal like this gives up nothing but maybe garners good will.

You're making too much out of this calling it "just stupid".

 

[moses malone 12]

1) Slepets will probably never reach the NHL level.
2) This salary retention won't prevent Carolina from making moves at the deadline.
3) While a 6th round pick is minor, if the Canes didn't take this retention, some other team would have.
4) Sometimes GMs value a relationship with other GMs so doing a nothing deal like this gives up nothing but maybe garners good will.

You're making too much out of this calling it "just stupid".

to be fair, the poster's criticism has some validity. Why not make the first trade the most meaningful in terms of on ice impact? That's what we all want, given the recent past deadline day activity. If they have some cap space left closer to deadline day, fine, broker a deal to get a low round draft pick.

If the poster is annoyed because he/she feels mgmt. is too focused on paper trades and extracting value versus getting a trade done for a player that will help up front, I get it. Personally, I want mgmt. to make a trade for rental or non-rental and pay up for it. show the league and the fan base that it is serious about making a run this year. Plus, striking early means the acquired player get a few more games under his belt before the playoffs.

IMO, this is the year to give up some combination of a first, prospects and perhaps a roster player to get a potential difference maker. We'll see.

 

[Lempo]

You're making too much out of this calling it "just stupid".

All your points are valid, but for Canes it still is, in tangible terms, worse deal than "something for future considerations" would be, when you give away a positive asset (never mind how minuscle) and take on some extra salary and cap hit. The notion of "I don't get it" is a valid notion.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

to be fair, the poster's criticism has some validity. Why not make the first trade the most meaningful in terms of on ice impact? That's what we all want, given the recent past deadline day activity. If they have some cap space left closer to deadline day, fine, broker a deal to get a low round draft pick.

I disagree. Why does the "first trade" matter? Other than to fans perception (which isn't a good way to GM). You make a move that you want to make if it's available. If there's no impact deal available now, it doesn't mean you do nothing.

If the poster is annoyed because he/she feels mgmt. is too focused on paper trades and extracting value versus getting a trade done for a player that will help up front, I get it. Personally, I want mgmt. to make a trade for rental or non-rental and pay up for it. show the league and the fan base that it is serious about making a run this year. Plus, striking early means the acquired player get a few more games under his belt before the playoffs.

IMO, this is the year to give up some combination of a first, prospects and perhaps a roster player to get a potential difference maker. We'll see.

While that's all fair to want to see an impact move, it's completely irrelevant to this move. This move doesn't preclude making a move like that and we don't know what deals are even available, right now 7 days away from the deadline. If they don't make a move then, sure, I have no problem with people getting upset.

It's much ado about nothing IMO.