Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIX

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

At least he had him ahead of Pionk?

Technically, but I think 3A/3B implies them splitting time which is dumb.

 

[True Blue]

I have a sinking feeling that Trouba would end up in this board's dog house really quickly, or at the very least end up one of those players who quickly becomes polarizing.

You mean give up significant assets for a player, sign him to a very expensive contract and ask him to be something that he has not been before? Where have we seen this before?

 

[Edge]

You mean give up significant assets for a player, sign him to a very expensive contract and ask him to be something that he has not been before? Where have we seen this before?

And then include a career average of 68 games/a median of 65 games through six season, before wear and tear starts accumulating in the late 20s and early 30s.

Just have to tell you...I think the risk is greater than people realize, and the reward isn't nearly as high as they want to believe.

 

[wafflepadsave]

And then include a career average of 68 games/a median of 65 games through six season, before wear and tear starts accumulating in the late 20s and early 30s.

Just have to tell you...I think the risk is greater than people realize, and the reward isn't nearly as high as they want to believe.

Agreed. Panarin makes way more sense than trouba. I would rather lose games 8-7 next season than go for trouba. Need one more high pick then start going for it.

 

[Tawnos]

Big test for me is Pionk. Big extension is a big mistake in my eyes. The old regime does it without hesitation. Let’s see about now. It’s a big litmus test.

Eh, the Sather regime got a lot of flack for signing guys to bridge deals rather than long term. I don't agree at all that the "old regime does it without hesitation."

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Big test for me is Pionk. Big extension is a big mistake in my eyes. The old regime does it without hesitation. Let’s see about now. It’s a big litmus test.

Sather was notably stingy particularly with RFAs... I don't think he ever went beyond 2 yrs in the last decade besides McDonagh. Giving Pionk more than 2 years wouldn't happen anyway.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

we're talking about Trouba and not Seth Jones right?

Even Jones didn’t return that much value...although it’s up to you to decide how much value Johansen had at the time of the trade.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

As it stands now in 2 years the Rangers will have one of the cheapest D corp in the whole league. I will give $7 to Trouba and won’t blink either from a perspective of giving this much to this particular player and in the contest of team’s salary cap.

Trouba injury concerns are also overblown (similar to how it was with Zibanejad). He’s not an overage veteran, this is not EK situation, not even close.

I feel getting Trouba and expecting him to be a 1d is going to be very disappointing as he has a ton of support on the back end in Winnipeg. I'm actually more inclined to continue drafting dmen and see which ones rise to the top. Fox I'm good with as long as we arent trading anything of value for him or get him as a ufa.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’m not gonna dive into the whole Trouba debate, although I like him a lot as a player.

However, if we’re saying a 25 year old player doesn’t fit our timeline, what in the actual f*** are we doing here then?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I'd love Trouba... if the cost is a package built around Skjei plus secondary/tertiary piece(s). IMO, that would simply be wise asset reallocation (25-y-o, talented, big-bodied LHD for 25-y-o, talented, big-bodied RHD). Anything more than that, however, leave it alone.

I'd be happy to acquire Fox this offseason... if the cost is composed of secondary/tertiary piece(s). IMO, paying a small fee and/or sacrificing a player who Fox would displace is a worthwhile cost for certainty. If Carolina insists on "market value", however, simply wait out the year.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I’m not gonna dive into the whole Trouba debate, although I like him a lot as a player.

However, if we’re saying a 25 year old player doesn’t fit our timeline, what in the actual **** are we doing here then?

25 is only 5 years from 30, guy might as well retire now.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I’m not gonna dive into the whole Trouba debate, although I like him a lot as a player.

However, if we’re saying a 25 year old player doesn’t fit our timeline, what in the actual **** are we doing here then?

This.

At some point, you actually need players in their prime. It can't just be all youngsters and hoarding draft picks.

It's one thing to say that you aren't a fan of Trouba the player, but to say he doesn't fit our timeline is false.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Trouba just played his 24 year old season.

He’s getting to that age where D usually take off. The durability is worrisome, his ability to eat minutes on the back end shouldn’t be.

Skjei, Pionk and a few picks and I’m sold.

 

[offdacrossbar]

trouba is a much better player than im hearing here.

he would instantly be our best overall defender by a lot. hes young and he can play 25 mins a game.

this defense is a horror show. plain and simple.

right now we have maybe 2 2nd pair guys. 76 and 77. the rest are 3rd pair defender types, vets or specialty type guys.

we need a true top pair defender to anchor this defense until the kids are ready to go.

trouba would seem to me to be a guy who checks many boxes both in terms of talent and need.

 

[Riche16]

25 is only 5 years from 30, guy might as well retire now.

No one said this. Not one person.

Those that are wary of him are because the combo of assets it would take to acquire him and the fact that he’s not durable NOW. Meaning he likely will not age well.

I think drafting our Trouba is the way to go. Hoping K’Andre is that and more. Yes he’s not a righty but that doesn’t mean we can’t draft someone on the right.

I’ve said before and will day again the best (maybe only) way we f*** up this rebuild is by trying to accelerate it and stepping in shit

 

[Block More Shots]

I was on the fence for awhile, but I'd be okay with throwing a long-term deal at Panarin. I don't see signs of slowing too much given his age and skill level. He doesn't have the wear and tear on him from playing in the NHL at a younger age either. I think adding a star like him will help us in taking the next step much sooner. We have Henrik's 8.5 coming off the books soon...cap will hopefully continue to go up...and who knows if another player like him will hit UFA any time soon. Mix him in with a top 6 core like Zib, Krav, Kakko, Buch, Chytil...sounds amazing. I'd much rather trade Kreider and give that money to Panarin.

 

[Off Sides]

Without an extension in place, why are the Rangers trading a ton for a player who can walk in a year?

With an extension in place, if that cap hit puts him in the top 10 among defenders league wide, is he really a top 10 defender league wide?

How much should a team trade for a player who carries a top 10 cap hit for his position, who may not be top 10 material?

The timeline fits, yet there is not any bargain to be had with Trouba and I'm not very confident he really is a top 10 defender league wide. In his own zone I do think he fits that category, he did well on the PP this past year, yet Buff and to a lesser extent Myers are likely taking some heat off of Trouba where if he were on the Rangers there is no such things.

 

[offdacrossbar]

trouba defensively is worlds better than any other defender on roster now.

25 yrs old. 50 point guy. plus player plays pp1 and pk1

rochester minn kid. fits the mold

hes a PERFECT fit for this team and exactly the kind of move that fit this rebuild.

again, hes easily the best defender on the roster and makes this defense better fast.

and hes out there. you gotta kick the tires.

until you fix this defense, 5 panarins won't make a hill of beans.

 

[Tawnos]

Without an extension in place, why are the Rangers trading a ton for a player who can walk in a year?

With an extension in place, if that cap hit puts him in the top 10 among defenders league wide, is he really a top 10 defender league wide?

How much should a team trade for a player who carries a top 10 cap hit for his position, who may not be top 10 material?

The timeline fits, yet there is not any bargain to be had with Trouba and I'm not very confident he really is a top 10 defender league wide. In his own zone I do think he fits that category, he did well on the PP this past year, yet Buff and to a lesser extent Myers are likely taking some heat off of Trouba where if he were on the Rangers there is no such things.

I'm not always looking for a bargain so much as simply fair value.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Even with an extension in place, trouba isn’t going to require a massive package.

He’ll get some nice pieces, but not the roster player+ 1-2 top prospects + 1st rounder someone suggested.

Think roster player - decent prospect and a conditional pick or 2

 

[True Blue]

Just have to tell you...I think the risk is greater than people realize, and the reward isn't nearly as high as they want to believe.

This screams Shattenkirk part deux. But for 7 years, instead of 4 and more dollars.

 

[Edge]

Even with an extension in place, trouba isn’t going to require a massive package.

He’ll get some nice pieces, but not the roster player+ 1-2 top prospects + 1st rounder someone suggested.

Think roster player - decent prospect and a conditional pick or 2

Man that seems like a lot coming from a team that is still trying to get a handle on what exactly it has (or doesn't).

 

[True Blue]

I’m not gonna dive into the whole Trouba debate, although I like him a lot as a player.

However, if we’re saying a 25 year old player doesn’t fit our timeline, what in the actual **** are we doing here then?

I think that he fits the time line, but am very worried about bringing in someone who has trouble staying on the ice and paying him top dollars and a contract with NTC/NMC to be something he has never been is a recipe for disaster.

 

[offdacrossbar]

This screams Shattenkirk part deux. But for 7 years, instead of 4 and more dollars.

what exactly does a 25 yr old trouba and shatty have in common

seriously ?

 

[True Blue]

trouba defensively is worlds better than any other defender on roster now.

That speaks to the personnel currently being run out as defensemen as opposed to Trouba actually being a top defenseman.