Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XII: The Great Sell-off of 2018

[mike14]

He's a bad defensive player and bad possession player, who doesn't shoot and doesn't generate shots, who soaks up secondary assists.


Rinse, repeat.

I'd argue that overall he is not bad defensively, but when he stuffs up it is monumentally bad and agree about possession.

Do we really care about how much he shoots if when he shoots they go in? Since the start of 15-16 he's 2nd on the team in goals scored. It would be great if he shot more, but for all Kreider's shooting he has 5 more gaols over that span.
What ratio of primary/secondary assists would you like to see (for the record he's at 52% 2ndry assist this year, 38% the year before and 42% the year before that. For comparison, CK is 54%, 28% and 41%)?

You certainly don't have to like Miller, and I agree with the general sentiment that he's a ridiculously frustrating player to watch; but your dislike of him seems to be a bit over the top from time to time

 

[ZiGOODejad]

im right there with the eh. he's okay i don't like him much either. I can see why people would keep him and i can also see why people would want to trade him

 

[Avery16]

Hopefully this makes someone like Smith more marketable

 

[Blais to Win]

Miller being completely undersold in this conversation. He's pretty good. Versatile. Somewhat physical. Gets results.

 

[Anttiup32]

Miller being completely undersold in this conversation. He's pretty good. Versatile. Somewhat physical. Gets results.

Miller was wrongly put at Center, in a case of desperation from the Rangers. When he’s been on the wing he’s been great all year.

 

[RangerBlues]

If the team has been put on notice. Everyone should be up to be traded. That includes Hank and any prospect.

 

[Anttiup32]

Anyone else on board with trading Zucc and using his AAV to resign Nash? My feeling is we could get more for Zucc, while Nash’s 25 goals and penalty killing would be greatly missed.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Anyone else on board with trading Zucc and using his AAV to resign Nash? My feeling is we could get more for Zucc, while Nash’s 25 goals and penalty killing would be greatly missed.

I would trade both and just resign Nash on July 1st. Also down to trade Miller and McDonagh, not necessarily before Feb 26th because we obviously need players to finish the season but I'd like to fully replenish assets.

 

[Anttiup32]

I would trade both and just resign Nash on July 1st. Also down to trade Miller and McDonagh, not necessarily before Feb 26th because we obviously need players to finish the season but I'd like to fully replenish assets.

So with Miller that’d be a sign and trade or trading his RFA rights? I don’t think we should burn it all down but if a good enough deal is on the table anyone should be moveable

 

[Beacon]

Ideal off-season for me and not insanely far fetched

New coach
Zucc traded for 1st + prospect
Trade Nash/Grabner/Holden if you can at the deadline

Sign Tavares for 10 per
Resign Nash 3~ish x 3 years (he wants to be here); Grabner too expensive to bring back
Chytil/Andersson/Lettieri up

McDonagh and Shattenkirk back together playing under new defensive scheme for zone defense

Miller at 5 per 4 years, Hayes at 4.7 per 3 years, Vesey at 1.1-1.3, Skjei bridge deal at 2-2.4 for 1-2 years

Nieves could take 4c if one of Andersson or Chytil needs time in the AHL still. Or if centers needs to be moved up/around due to injury. Center flexibility with Miller and Hayes both playing LW (Hayes has played LW for stints with us in the past during injury).

Miller Tavares Nash
Kreider Zib Buch
Hayes Chytil Lettieri
Vesey Andersson Fast

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Staal DeAngelo

Bern?

 

[NYR]

After this season I think this thread needs a humor injection.
Goatboy is all I'm saying

 

[Anttiup32]

If we can fetch a 4th for Holden I’ll drive him to wherever that offer is from. The pick + the increased playing time for DeAngelo would be more than enough for that deal.

 

[RangerBlues]

Hopefully this makes someone like Smith more marketable

Modern analytics do not value players like this very high

 

[Nopuckluck]

Tavares isn't signing here for 10 mill.

McDonagh is going to make more than 7.5.

Miller should probably be moved as well.

You should have stopped after the fourth word in your post.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Obviously the move is to obtain Lucic ( the Kergan), Rodrigues (the Spaniard), play them with McLeod for the Highlander Line. There can only be one.

 

[Alluckks]

Bern?

I traded Zucc for a 1st plus unnamed prospect and signed one player

What are you smoking?

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I traded Zucc for a 1st plus unnamed prospect and signed one player

What are you smoking?

Your format was similar. The trade was reasonable although Idk about some of those contracts you handed out

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Tavares isn't signing here for 10 mill.

Someone had to say it.

 

[Anttiup32]

What would be your dream defense to start 2018-19?
I think mine would be
Mac-Skjei
Pionk-Tony D
Smith-Shatty

I know Mac and Skjei are both LHD but I’ve been dying to see that pair for years and I think they could shoulder the 22-24 minutes they’d be given. Of course this would mean keeping McDonagh and buying out Staal tho

 

[NYR]

What would be your dream defense to start 2018-19?
I think mine would be
Mac-Skjei
Pionk-Tony D
Smith-Shatty

I know Mac and Skjei are both LHD but I’ve been dying to see that pair for years and I think they could shoulder the 22-24 minutes they’d be given. Of course this would mean keeping McDonagh and buying out Staal tho

I've been calling for a McD and Skjei top pairing for a while now but I don't think an $11+Million 3rd pair is gonna fly..
#JG_Fail

 

[Lion Hound]

Was thinking about the incredibly long in depth Roster thread, specifically the amount of players this board has discussed in trades.

The expiring assets
Nash
Grabner
Holden
Desharnais

The Blockbuster to the core
McDonagh
Zuccarello

And a few others mixed in...
Miller
Kreider

The reality is even of this club does indeed decide to "blow it up", it's highly unlikely that we would see more then 2 moves at the deadline. When was the last time a club decided to sell and actually moved more then 2 key players at the deadline? 5 key players at the deadline? It's very unlikely

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Anyone else terrified that the Red Wings might trade Howard into the Metro? Like say to the Isles. Dude kills us.

 

[mike14]

You don't move Miller, Kreider, Zucc or McD at the deadline because you are really limiting yourself to teams who are picking in the second half of each draft round and those who don't want to destabilise their roster by giving up players.
Trading them at the draft opens up much possibility (like with the Stepan trade), except in this case for McD and Zucc they should have been moved at the last draft to maximise their cap hit (2 full seasons vs 1). I'd be very surprised to see either guy moved as the return won't be what Gorton wants.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Miller and another asset moved at the draft, as well as our UFAs at the TDL

 

[eco's bones]

Anyone else terrified that the Red Wings might trade Howard into the Metro? Like say to the Isles. Dude kills us.

Are the Islanders likely to knock us out of the playoffs this year? I don't think so. Howard won't fix their problems anyway--even if he does play great against the Rangers. He's only an okay starter.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

What would be your dream defense to start 2018-19?
I think mine would be
Mac-Skjei
Pionk-Tony D
Smith-Shatty

I know Mac and Skjei are both LHD but I’ve been dying to see that pair for years and I think they could shoulder the 22-24 minutes they’d be given. Of course this would mean keeping McDonagh and buying out Staal tho

Probably doesn't have Staal or Smith on it. Its hard to figure out. Staal, Smith, McDonagh could all go.

McDonagh-Skjei
Graves-Shattenkirk
Bereglazov-DeAngelo
Kampfer

Pionk can be first call up from Hartford.