Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Return of Beaver Brad

[BBKers]

The cattlemen like to keep things amicable between them awaiting the next Ball venue.
The cattle need to be kept in line.
That's professional entertainment

 

[BBKers]

Updated stats

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2017-2018 (47)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD (22)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2017
1| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |24
2| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |25
3| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |23
4| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #66 Nashville (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA |24
5| F | Matt Puempel |$725.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Ottawa (2011) - waiver claim 2016 |24
6| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|33
7| D | Nick Holden |$1,650,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |30
8| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |30
9| F | Ondrej Pavelec |$1,300,000 |UFA 2018 |Winnipeg Jets/NHL |R2 #41 Atlanta Flames (2009) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
10| F | David Desharnais |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |Edmonton Oilers/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |31
11| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|28
12| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |30
13| D | Alexei Bereglazov (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL|Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
14| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |22
15| D | Anthony DeAngelo (ELC)|$863,333* |RFA 2019 |Arizona Coyotes/NHL |R1 #19 Tampa Bay (2014) |22
16| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |26
17| F | Jesper Fast(h) LTIR |$1,850.000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |26
18| F | Lias Andersson (ELC-S)|$925,000* |UFA 2020 |HV71/SHL |R1 #7 NYR (2017) |19
19| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |35
20| D | Kevin Shattenkirk (NTC)|$6,650,000 |UFA 2021 |Washington Capitals/NHL|R1 #14 Colorado Avalanche (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA|28
21| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |30
22| D | Brendan Smith (NTC) |$4,350,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #27 Detroit Red Wings (2007) - acquired through trade|28
23| F | Mika Zibanejad |$5,325,000 |UFA 2022 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #6 Ottawa Senators (2011) - acquired through trade |24[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $75,000,000
BUYOUTS (Dan Girardi): $2,611,111
SALARY HIT: $71,163,333
SALARY HIT WITH BUYOUT:$73,774,444
CAP SPACE: $1,225,556
LTIR: Jesper Fast (until November/December)
13 FWD - 8 D - 2 G (1 more fwd incoming + 1 D going out)
AVERAGE AGE ~ 27.1 years

CONTRACTED 2017/2018 BUT LIKELY ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (25)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2016 |Drafted |Age 2017
24|F |Paul Carey |$650,000 |UFA 2018 |Hershey Bears/AHL |R5 #135 Colorado (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
25|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |23
26|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2018 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26
27|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |23
28|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |24
29|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (started w NYR) |24
30|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$656,667* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |22
31|F |Daniel Catenacci |$650,000 |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #77 Buffalo (2011)- acquired through trade |23
32|D |John Gilmour (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (2012) - signed w/NYR as UFA|24
33|F |Cole Schneider |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Rochester Americans/AHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |27
34|D |Steve Kampfer |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #93 (2007) Anaheim - acquired through trade |29
35|F |Vinni Lettieri (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
36|D |Neil Pionk (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
37|G |Chris Nell (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Bowling Green/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
38|F |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |21
39|G |Brandon Halverson (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |21
40|D |Vince Pedrie (ELC) |$767,500* |RFA 2019 |Penn State Univ./NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
41|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC) |$839.166* |RFA 2020 |Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |21
42|G |Alexander Georgiev(ELC)|$792,500* |RFA 2020 |TPS/Liiga Finland |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
43|D |Sean Day (ELC-S) |$775,833* |RFA 2020 |Windsor Spitfires/OHL |R3 #81 NYR (2016) |19
44|F |Dawson Leedahl (ELC)|$749,167* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
45|F |Timothy Gettinger (ELC-S)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|R5 #141 NYR (2016) |19
46|F |Gabriel Fontaine (ELC)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |R6 #171 NYR (2016) |20
47|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC)|$734,166* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |20
48|F |Filip Chytil (ELC-S) |$925,000* |RFA 2020 |PSG Zlín/Czech Extraliga |R1 #21 NYR (2017) |18
(49)|F | Dan DeSalvo@ |$?? |AHL deal |Manitoba Moose/AHL |Undrafted |25
(50)|D | Brenden Kotyk@ |$?? |AHL deal |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted |26
(51)|F |Eric Selleck @ |$?? |AHL deal |Tuscon Roadrunners/AHL |Undrafted |30
(52)|F |Joe Whitney@ |$?? |AHL deal |Tucson Roadrunners/AHL |Undrafted |29[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (12)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team 2016| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shestyorkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|F |Patrik Virta |TPS/Liiga Finland |5' 10" | 181 | Finland |R|March 6, 1996 |R7 #207 NYR (2017)
3|D |Tyler Nanne |Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA |5' 10" | 183 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
4|F |Daniel Bernhardt |VIK Västerås HK/Allsvenskan |6' 3" | 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|D |Brandon Crawley |London Knights/OHL |6' 2" | 203 | USA |L|February 2, 1997 |R4 #123 NYR (2017)
6|F |Dominik Lakatos |Bili Tygri Liberec/Czech Extraliga|5' 11"| 179 |Czech Republic |L|April 8, 1997 |R6 #157 NYR (2017)
7|G |Adam Huska |UConn Huskies/NCAA |6' 3" | 191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
8|F |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" | 165 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
9|G |Tyler Wall |UMass Lowell River Hawks/NCAA |6' 2" | 190 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
10|D |Tarmo Reunanen |TUTO Hockey/Mestis |6' 0" | 180 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
11|F |Morgan Barron |St. Andrew's College/CAHS |6' 2" | 201 | Canada |R|December 02, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2017)
12|D |Calle Själin |Östersunds IK/Div.1 Sweden |6' 1" | 176 | Sweden |L|September 2, 1999 |R5 #145 NYR (2017)
(13)|F |Carl Klingberg |EV Zug/NLA - rights retained |6' 3" | 212 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)
(14)|F |Niklas Jensen |Jokerit/KHL - rights retained |6' 3" | 216 | Denmark |R|March 6, 1993 |R1 #29 Vancouver (2011)[/table]

2018 DRAFT PICKS (6)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
• We then lost Ottawas 2nd round pick to Detroit in the trade for Brendan Smith
• We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

2019 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR

2020 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR

 

[Ori]

They won't even sign Jagr

Maybe his great career is about to end in NHL - I thought he was 42, but he is 45.

 

[Ola]

NHL usually has a lot of movement during the summer. Last year the Subban-Weber and Hall-Larson deals headlined it. This summer the Stepan, Eberle, Drouin, and even Johansen to the Devils trades were all pretty big. The rules of the expansion draft really prevented even more movement.

You are right but there is basically no movement in the NHL, this off-season if anything was an anomaly.

You had more and bigger trades 25 years ago, and there are about 30% more teams in the league nowadays. There are very very few "hockey trades", and pure cap dumps make out a huge chunk of all deals today.

I think that it is very obvious that the reason for this is the lack of incentives for a NHL GM to take a risk in this league right now. Look at what persons are GMs in this league, many are financially secure but many are earning a big buck for them right now. On top of that -- its a great job with a lot of prestige, and probably a lot of fun, too. If you get a GM job, you want to keep it. I would. This must be put in contrast to that its not a job with a description that entails a lot of job security. Its the complete opposite. Not saying that this is all these guys think about -- but it of course has an impact.

And if you are a NHL GM and want to keep your job, not be fired after 2 years, what should you do? Its real easy, nothing. Its very easy to sell the idea that the best way to build a team is to build properly from within with an aim 4-5 years down the road, at least. Nothing in that process basically can look bad on you. You can hype the prospects you drafted for a looooooooonnnnnng time. Easily 5-6 years.

In this context -- a trade can really make you look bad. Trade a McD for a Gomez, and people will attach it to you for a long time, its one of the few things that really sticks to the resume. The other is UFA -- but remember that UFA signings often are owner driven or supported. You can't go to your owner and say, hey should I trade player X for player Y. That is your job to decide. But in many cases you can go to your owner and say, hey we can make a big splash, get a player for your money, we all know the risks involved.

I firmly believe that if you put together a group of top notch experts, like hire a firm like MacKinsley and ask them to put together a team and evaluate how many trades a NHL team should do on average per year, they wouldn't come up with a number that even remotely is close to as few trades as we see. In a sense its telling to analyze it from a hypothetical example. Building a NHL team is about building the perfect puzzle. Teams get their building pieces from a lottery called a draft. Teams can exchange pieces with each other. Disregarding the deals where default pieces are dumped (cap dumps), they decide to do so like 0.3 times per year (say that there are 10 hockey trades per year) on average?

The real world is the real world -- but many teams out there are heading nowhere and seems perfectly content doing so, year after year after year. Why aren't they doing something? The cap makes it a bit harder to pull of trades, but its very far from impossible. Teams have always had budgets, its not like fiscal responsibility is something new. And so forth.

 

[BBKers]

Bravo Ola! Excellent post

 

[rangers1314]

Upshall to Van on a PTO...still hoping John Mitchell finds his way here.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Here's an idea I don't think I've seen suggested: sign Jagr move Miller to center roll Zib-Hayes-Miller as the top 3 then let Anderson develop as the 4C for a season. A Grabner-Anderson-Fast 4th line would a pain to play against

 

[NickyFotiu]

I hope Callahan reunites with the Rangers in such an ops capacity once he retires; he'd be a great role model for the kids (assuming he doesn't hold a grudge against the organization). Ditto Dom Moore (though I can't see why he'd decline).

Why would Cally hold a grudge? We offered him an incredible contract and he refused it?

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Does rick nash stay in NY next year and for how much if he does?

Nash is currently making 7.8m a year. He is a UFA at the end of this season. I personally love his two way game and his drive on the play. However his production is down and he isn't playing even close to the value of his contract. If he stays in NY but takes a pay cut I would be happy. However those are a lot of ifs since he can most likely get a lot more in FA.

Do you want him to stay and for how much? Term?

 

[Edge]

Personally, I think the expansion team through some of the movement off, as did some of the college free agents that received focus this year.

A lot of teams are waiting to see what they have, and also who might be available via waivers or trade as Las Vegas figures out its roster.

 

[Edge]

Nash is currently making 7.8m a year. He is a UFA at the end of this season. I personally love his two way game and his drive on the play. However his production is down and he isn't playing even close to the value of his contract. If he stays in NY but takes a pay cut I would be happy. However those are a lot of ifs since he can most likely get a lot more in FA.

Do you want him to stay and for how much? Term?

Nash is taking a pay cut no matter where he goes. But even if he's not the centerpiece the Rangers need him to be, replacing Nash's 20-25 goals and 40 points on the wings isn't likely to come from within the system. So most likely, they're going to have to bring someone in, whether it's Nash at a significantly lower salary, or trading for someone.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Nash is taking a pay cut no matter where he goes. But even if he's not the centerpiece the Rangers need him to be, replacing Nash's 20-25 goals and 40 points on the wings isn't likely to come from within the system. So most likely, they're going to have to bring someone in, whether it's Nash at a significantly lower salary, or trading for someone.

I agree with everything you said. i don't see anyone paying nash 7m however he can probably get closer to 6m from a team that has cap and needs help vs the rangers who are trying to save cap. Rangers probably offer him a 4.5m deal like Zuc got. He could definitely get more than that elsewhere. Bringing someone in with similar production wont be cheap either though.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

That Patrick Marleau contract makes me think Nash is going to get paid. We know him for those bad playoff series but if he doesn't get another concussion I think he stays around the league for a long time and gets seen as a Justin Williams/Joel Ward kind of player. Plays in all situations, keeps possession, huge, scores goals. It's like Gaborik too, though his contract is awful - big difference between that guy as option C and option A.

I'd love to have Evander Kane in the offseason - replace a power forward with a power forward, great age for a UFA, might be undervalued because of his issues - but it's still too much for our cap, I think.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I want him to resign. 4-5m/y

 

[LeetchisGod]

I hope not. His production is going to decline even further. I'd rather give his ice time to younger players.

 

[iamthewalrus]

If he wants to get paid, he'll walk. He will 100% get higher offers from other teams than from NY, probably still upwards of 6M.

Would love for him to stay on a ~4.5M salary for a couple more years though

 

[CasusBelli]

I'd give him $3MM x 2 or $2.25 x 3, which I doubt he'd accept, so I say "Bai Bai Bai". I'm also not the GM, and I'm not privy to our organization's knowledge / information, so what do I know?*

* I'm assuming declining productivity, with 20-24 goals each season through 19/20, making him almost Hossa Lite.

 

[cwede]

That Patrick Marleau contract makes me think Nash is going to get paid. We know him for those bad playoff series but if he doesn't get another concussion I think he stays around the league for a long time and gets seen as a Justin Williams/Joel Ward kind of player. Plays in all situations, keeps possession, huge, scores goals. It's like Gaborik too, though his contract is awful - big difference between that guy as option C and option A.

I'd love to have Evander Kane in the offseason - replace a power forward with a power forward, great age for a UFA, might be undervalued because of his issues - but it's still too much for our cap, I think.

The Marleau deal did set a really high benchmark for mid/late 30's guys.

Re Kane, not sure playing in NYC is a good fit because of his 'issues' -
obvi we are not a 24/7 hockey spotlight town like TO or Montreal,
but a lot of attention, and a lot of distractions here.

I expect Nash to move on, after which it's clear how much his efforts are missed, even if he hasn't been the consistent 30 goal scorer we thought we were getting

If he stays, not for more than ~$5M, hopefully a bit less, we have a bunch of core, in their prime guys to re-sign next couple years

 

[offdacrossbar]

Here's an idea I don't think I've seen suggested: sign Jagr move Miller to center roll Zib-Hayes-Miller as the top 3 then let Anderson develop as the 4C for a season. A Grabner-Anderson-Fast 4th line would a pain to play against

lol

been all over that idea for weeks

 

[offdacrossbar]

dump nash. sign jagr to a 1 yr show me deal .

atleast jaromir can play the pp and he's always healthy unlike the albatross.

we have other guys who can play 3rd line minutes and do stuff while loafing around scoring 15 goals.

we need a talented scorer who can give us 40-45 and wouldn't he be a great teacher for guys like pavel, lias and jimmy. jagr would be a great addition. dude is in terrific shape always and loves to play.

oh, and he will cost us 3-4 mil rather than 7.8

 

[McSauer]

That Patrick Marleau contract makes me think Nash is going to get paid. We know him for those bad playoff series but if he doesn't get another concussion I think he stays around the league for a long time and gets seen as a Justin Williams/Joel Ward kind of player. Plays in all situations, keeps possession, huge, scores goals. It's like Gaborik too, though his contract is awful - big difference between that guy as option C and option A.

I'd love to have Evander Kane in the offseason - replace a power forward with a power forward, great age for a UFA, might be undervalued because of his issues - but it's still too much for our cap, I think.

He would be perfect for this team--hopefully his issues have been overblown, because when he is on his game he's a force.

 

[Mikos87]

That Patrick Marleau contract makes me think Nash is going to get paid. We know him for those bad playoff series but if he doesn't get another concussion I think he stays around the league for a long time and gets seen as a Justin Williams/Joel Ward kind of player. Plays in all situations, keeps possession, huge, scores goals. It's like Gaborik too, though his contract is awful - big difference between that guy as option C and option A.

I'd love to have Evander Kane in the offseason - replace a power forward with a power forward, great age for a UFA, might be undervalued because of his issues - but it's still too much for our cap, I think.

If Nash score close to 30.. and I think he will... he'll break $6M.

Rangers need to see if Vesey can be that 20-20 two-way player this year and backfill Nash's minutes. Doubt it.

Nash at $4-$5M is still a good bargain. Issue with Rick has always been the motor. He'll show up this year. It's a walk year.

There was a GM back in 2012 that pulled out of the Nash sweeps early because of the motor being an issue.

 

[Machinehead]

dump nash. sign jagr to a 1 yr show me deal .

atleast jaromir can play the pp and he's always healthy unlike the albatross.

we have other guys who can play 3rd line minutes and do stuff while loafing around scoring 15 goals.

we need a talented scorer who can give us 40-45 and wouldn't he be a great teacher for guys like pavel, lias and jimmy. jagr would be a great addition. dude is in terrific shape always and loves to play.

oh, and he will cost us 3-4 mil rather than 7.8

I think you're confused.

Jagr didn't score 45 goals last year - he's 45 years old.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I very comfortably offer Nash a 3x4.5m extension and hope he takes it.

 

[CasusBelli]

He would be perfect for this team--hopefully his issues have been overblown, because when he is on his game he's a force.

I've seen him play a few times, so I might be off, but would it be fair to compare him to CK?