Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVIII: At part 58, I am out of titles.

[TheBloodyNine]

If the Rangers signed Panarin only to go and trade Trouba at the deadline, then that’s a problem and they made a very wrong decision.

 

[haveandare]

Trouba doing one year would be very risky with his injury history and the fact that he’s coming off his best year going to a worse team.

 

[Vitto79]

Trading Fast only saves like 1 million ?

Can they attach Belesky to Namestnikov and take less back ?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Anything is possible - Larry Brooks

 

[Mike in Houston]

I'm no expert but I truly doubt the Rangers go to arbitration with anyone and that with Trouba a long term deal gets done. GMJG just needs to be creative elsewhere. He'll get it all done.

 

[bbny]

If the Rangers signed Panarin only to go and trade Trouba at the deadline, then that’s a problem and they made a very wrong decision.

Why?

 

[JimmyG89]

Trading Fast only saves like 1 million ?

Can they attach Belesky to Namestnikov and take less back ?

Beleskey is getting sent to Hartford. His cap hit becomes next to nothing down there (875k).

Once Kreider is traded, we'll find out if anyone else goes. Most likely Namestnikov goes too. Think Smith is sent to Hartford as well. They could then sign a defender that is much cheaper than the 1.050M that can be buried.

Think Kreider is still bound to Colorado and I could see Names with some salary retained to Ottawa for a pick.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Deadline is tomorrow at 5 for players to sign their qualifying offers?

 

[Waivers]

I just can’t see how Trouba would also put his fiancé through another move again to another city for her to refocus on her studies. A deal will get done. He will be a Ranger for a while.

 

[Leetch3]

Deadline is tomorrow at 5 for players to sign their qualifying offers?

yes. at that point the team has the option to pull the offer and offer less...or they could just leave the offer out there. so not the realist of deadlines

 

[Leetch3]

there has nothing said from either side to indicate that trouba is being a ballbuster or that there is any issue between the sides and what is being offered and what is being asked. so not sure why we would speculate there is. trouba did that in winnipeg cause he wanted out of winnipeg. every thing we've heard is that he wants to be in ny for his girlfriends career...

given no indication of issues or anything from trouba's agent pushing the issue, I think that its more likely that they already have an agreement in place and they are holding off on announcing it to buy themselves time to make other moves

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Trouba doing one year would be very risky with his injury history and the fact that he’s coming off his best year going to a worse team.

Agreed. There is a decent amount of risk there for Trouba as well.

 

[effen]

If the Rangers signed Panarin only to go and trade Trouba at the deadline, then that’s a problem and they made a very wrong decision.

No, and I doubt that's how they think. That means something went wrong along the way they put very little weight into but unlikely does not mean never.

If they are happy with their process right now then no result will change that, nor should it.

Fans can second guess all day, management should never.

 

[haveandare]

Agreed. There is a decent amount of risk there for Trouba as well.

Yeah I mean risky mostly for him. We didn’t pay all that much to get him. If he takes a one year deal now and has a 30pt season where plays 60 games, it’ll hurt his earning a lot.

I hope he doesn’t have that kind of season but it’s not so impossible that I’d bet tens of millions of dollars on it if I were him

 

[I Eat Crow]

Anything is possible - Larry Brooks

"Nothing can happen"- HFNYR 2013-2016

 

[Savant]

Trouba will sign as soon as Rangers have Cap. They don’t right now. There is no reason to panic yet

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I can’t imagine a situation where the Rangers go through all this effort to acquire Trouba only to flip him 6 months later

It would be quite frankly embarrassing if that’s the plan

 

[wafflepadsave]

Probably just waiting for someone to be traded first.

Still, Trouba and his agent sure have a track record of being difficult.

Agreed and coupled with brooks point, if he doesn’t sign an extension, he might have to be moved. Crazy.

 

[Roo Returns]

@Vitto79 Fast's cap hit is $1.85. It's a fine hit but doubt they pay him a substantial raise.

The Rangers didn't sign Panarin and Trouba to dangle them. They are main parts of the rebuild for the team to improve as soon as next season. There will be no more tanking going on at least not intentionally.

Trouba's contract will get done probably by early next week. Gorton is patient. Very patient. He isn't on a beach somewhere or sipping a mimosa. He's analyzing deals or engaging in talks. He's trying to maximize his prized assets (Kreider, Names, Fast, Buch) or get back/attach as little as possible to the anchors (Smith and Shattenkirk).

Ultimately he will pull the trigger one way or another but not until he's satisfied. The market is chess. Dzingel who had nearly as many goal as Kreider but a bad playoffs went for under $4 million. Vancouver just gave Michael Ferlund $3.5. Those definitely impact Kreider who is a superior player to both.

 

[wafflepadsave]

One things to keep in mind- The Rangers need a buyout, perhaps even two to make Trouba & the other RFAs fit.

It could very well be that they are waiting to sign Trouba near the arbitration dates to pull the trigger on the buyouts.

The Rangers need to clear ~$5.3M in addition to the cap space that they have today.

I think Smith is a goner via buyout.

That's $3.3M.

You need to clear another $2M. I would expect Names to be moved. You can retain $1M, and take on two one-way contracts that can be buried in the minors and make things work.

There could possibly be a handshake deal to go to arbitration so the Rangers will get a break for this season but will happily pay more next season when they have time to make a few trades.

 

[QJL]

I’m in awe at the doubt here that Trouba isn’t signing for 7 years. A move will be made. He will be locked up by the end of the month.

I still think we trade Kreider and give up a pick to get rid of 50% of Shattenkirk or Smith. Names and Strome stay. Trading Kreider is the final necessary step of this rebuild.

 

[Elliman]

Part of me does wonder what Namestinkov can do with some elite talent on his line... he did great with TBay playing with elite players... perhaps he can do it again? It might raise his trade value or help us make a run into the playoffs. If we trade Names now at what I believe is his lowest value then we’ll be retaining and possibly adding a pick / prospect just to get him off the team.

Best move to make IMO is trading a player with value and that’s Kreider. Would prefer to keep him until the deadline (if we ain’t making the playoffs) or use him for said playoff run.

 

[Avery16]

I can’t imagine a situation where the Rangers go through all this effort to acquire Trouba only to flip him 6 months later

It would be quite frankly embarrassing if that’s the plan

Its not so terribly different from having to flip Yandle for pennies on the dollar because we couldn't move Nash.

 

[bbny]

I can’t imagine a situation where the Rangers go through all this effort to acquire Trouba only to flip him 6 months later

It would be quite frankly embarrassing if that’s the plan

I don't think it would be embarrassing. They weren't able to talk with him about an extension prior to the trade.

 

[Hire Sather]

It wouldn't be embarrassing. Trouba is difficult. Just like ROR.

If he wants to sign for 1 year only then I hope he is traded