Ronnie's Roulette - Year two TDL Edition

[gstommylee]

In the building phase I'm okay standing pat. I'd argue that the building phase will be over next year it should be a contending year considering the growth this year. I want to see meaningful acquisitions if a team is a contender. Look at my other team the TBL. They were fairly quiet at the deadline for years under Yzerman. JBB came in as GM and was aggressive. Obviously that worked out okay.
On the other side of the coin, almost all teams acquire prospects & picks when they're out of it and I assume GMRF will do the same. Messing around in the middle of the pack is not anything I feel like watching, i.e. the Mariners for all of the 2000s & 2010s.

Edit: And for the record, I would make minor SELLING deals this year. I wish the Kraken had an above average G, another top-4 D, and a bonafide finishing F because the west is so weak again this year. But they don't and I don't want to try to acquire those things at the trade deadline

Its going to take longer than a year to get a legit top defense pair shutdown Dman and legit top line wingers. They don't grow on apples where they are easy to get. .

 

[majormajor]

Its going to take longer than a year to get a legit top defense pair shutdown Dman

I disagree.

Ottawa just acquired one for cheap.

Orlov is out there. K'Andre Miller might get priced out of New York (offer sheet candidate).

Be opportunistic, not passive.

Sitting back and hoping to draft them with picks in the 20s is going to waste years of a good veteran team.

and legit top line wingers.

Wingers have seemed to go around very cheaply lately.

The hardest thing to get - potential 1Cs - the Kraken have two of.

 

[The Marquis]

Its going to take longer than a year to get a legit top defense pair shutdown Dman and legit top line wingers. They don't grow on apples where they are easy to get. .

You talk about things as if you’re from Yakima.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I disagree.

Ottawa just acquired one for cheap.

Orlov is out there. K'Andre Miller might get priced out of New York (offer sheet candidate).

Be opportunistic, not passive.

Sitting back and hoping to draft them with picks in the 20s is going to waste years of a good veteran team.



Wingers have seemed to go around very cheaply lately.

The hardest thing to get - potential 1Cs - the Kraken have two of.

Exactly. The GM is not doing their job if they do not take opportunities like that.

As a new franchise we also have a massive gap in age between our young prospects like Beniers and players like Eberle, Schwartz, Gourde, etc. If all we did was depend on the draft, those players would be less effective and likely not even be on the team. There have to be some chances taken to fill in the gaps. If our prospects our ahead of schedule, it is just a good problem to have. I would be very surprised if any of our prospects are ready to step in next season. Maybe Wright and/or Evans but there is no way to know that for sure.

Also, even if a prospect is lights out in juniors means nothing till the make it to the NHL level and start producing.

 

[majormajor]

Exactly. The GM is not doing their job if they do not take opportunities like that.

As a new franchise we also have a massive gap in age between our young prospects like Beniers and players like Eberle, Schwartz, Gourde, etc. If all we did was depend on the draft, those players would be less effective and likely not even be on the team. There have to be some chances taken to fill in the gaps. If our prospects our ahead of schedule, it is just a good problem to have. I would be very surprised if any of our prospects are ready to step in next season. Maybe Wright and/or Evans but there is no way to know that for sure.

Also, even if a prospect is lights out in juniors means nothing till the make it to the NHL level and start producing.

Oh if we're depending on the draft, we're going to have to do a big rebuild between now and when the team is ready to go. Probably five plus years in purgatory while we wait for a team of kids to develop. It's better to just build off what you have. Acquire long term pieces through trade and FA.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Remaining relatively flexible in regards to your wallet will become more valuable. I'm glad we're not going to limit ourselves due to a short-term rental. Internal growth and financial flexibility is a smart way to move forward.

Yeah.
It's tough watching everyone around you go for it and improve the team(at least short term) but all of them will have to find other ways to keep their team at the top of the standings having given up all those assets.

 

[Scomerica]

Yeah.
It's tough watching everyone around you go for it and improve the team(at least short term) but all of them will have to find other ways to keep their team at the top of the standings having given up all those assets.

I'm still not convinced the cap is going up much over the next few years either despite assumptions due to the Bally sports collapse.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I'm still not convinced the cap is going up much over the next few years either despite assumptions due to the Bally sports collapse.

Well, the last thing the league officially(Bettman) said it would go up by $1M.
It might be the $4M that were mentioned before but I don't think the Bally Sport and AT&T(could include the Kraken cause Root belongs to them) cut's might keep the revenues down.

Given that it's a 50/50 split between owners and players and that players still owe the owners(cap won't go up before that's paid off), it might take a bit longer for a bigger jump in the cap.

BTW: Now we're being thrown into the mix for JVR, again.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Well, the last thing the league officially(Bettman) said it would go up by $1M.
It might be the $4M that were mentioned before but I don't think the Bally Sport and AT&T(could include the Kraken cause Root belongs to them) cut's might keep the revenues down.

Given that it's a 50/50 split between owners and players and that players still owe the owners(cap won't go up before that's paid off), it might take a bit longer for a bigger jump in the cap.

BTW: Now we're being thrown into the mix for JVR, again.

JVR would make sense if Bura is out for a bit. With retention for a 3rd rounder (as per the Trade boards post) would make sense to me. I don't see us adding anyone on D because getting an upgrade is going to cost too much and we already have depth at that position.

 

[wewantyoursoul]

 

[brewski420]

 

[Scomerica]

I'm shocked Soucy hasn't left yet. Borgen doesn't make sense though unless it's a silly offer.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I'm shocked Soucy hasn't left yet. Borgen doesn't make sense though unless it's a silly offer.

Yeah. Said the same thing on the main boards.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I don't know.

The "insiders" always seem to bring up the same guys we're supposedly interested in or might trade.

I think unless it's the expansion draft and player agents and wifes know about it Seravalli doesn't know much what Francis is looking to do.

I'm shocked Soucy hasn't left yet. Borgen doesn't make sense though unless it's a silly offer.

Yeah, trading Soucy would make sense if the offer's anywhere near to what most of those other defenders got.

Borgen I don't understand as well cause I doubt he'd be that expensive to re-sign and he's playing really well.
Trading him and bringing in a guy like Klingberg makes us worsde defensively(we get enough offense from our defensive core this season) and creates a hole at RHD for next season.

Let's see what happens.

 

[Scomerica]

JVR would make sense if Bura is out for a bit. With retention for a 3rd rounder (as per the Trade boards post) would make sense to me. I don't see us adding anyone on D because getting an upgrade is going to cost too much and we already have depth at that position.

Who would be the odd man out if we signed him and Bura came back?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Who would be the odd man out if we signed him and Bura came back?

Will need to try lines out. Bura, Schwartz, Tolvy, Tanev and JVR would be our LW's so one would need to play RW which I would think is likely to be Tanev. You could basically ice JVR-Geekie-Tanev as your 4th line but play it like a 3rd line because that is what it would become.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I am going to be a little surprised if we don't make any moves today. Not expecting anything big though.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I am going to be a little surprised if we don't make any moves today. Not expecting anything big though.

I honestly don't know but I also don't expect anything big.
At least as long as Francis doesn't send Soucy somewhere and upgrades a pic etc.

If we do something I think it's probably going to be a bottom six center that can actually win a faceoff.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I honestly don't know but I also don't expect anything big.
At least as long as Francis doesn't send Soucy somewhere and upgrades a pic etc.

If we do something I think it's probably going to be a bottom six center that can actually win a faceoff.

It seems interesting to hear from Flames fans on the main boards. They seem to have given up on making the playoffs this season. I still feel its a closer race to the last spot than they think but they are interested in selling more than buying.

 

[Scomerica]

It seems interesting to hear from Flames fans on the main boards. They seem to have given up on making the playoffs this season. I still feel its a closer race to the last spot than they think but they are interested in selling more than buying.

Didn't they go all in salary wise at the start of the season? Pretty brutal.

 

[kihei]

I don't know how much more JVR has left in the tank. I don't think I would offer more than a 4th round pick for him. He does provide a net presence (or at least he did in Toronto) but he is slow and by now probably a liability on defense. At this point, I'm also comfortable with no moves at all today if there is nothing out there that tempts RF to make a move.

 

[The Marquis]

I don't know how much more JVR has left in the tank. I don't think I would offer more than a 4th round pick for him. He does provide a net presence (or at least he did in Toronto) but he is slow and by now probably a liability on defense. At this point, I'm also comfortable with no moves at all today if there is nothing out there that tempts RF to make a move.

Only need him for the next 3 months. I think he's got that much in the tank.

That said, I'm also comfortable with no moves. The west really wasn't shaken up pretty much at all. The east though. Glad we're in the west.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

It seems interesting to hear from Flames fans on the main boards. They seem to have given up on making the playoffs this season. I still feel its a closer race to the last spot than they think but they are interested in selling more than buying.

Well, they were the talk of the town after the offseason given that they "re-tooled" after losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Though, they've invested loads of money in all those guys and none of them is any kind of young.

It will be interesting to see what they do, but for now they don't really have a choice but to "go for it" given that it would be hard to move those deals.

Didn't they go all in salary wise at the start of the season? Pretty brutal.

Yep.
The brutal part actually starts next season when all of those guys are a year older and both contracts of Weegar and Huberdeau kick in.

I don't know how much more JVR has left in the tank. I don't think I would offer more than a 4th round pick for him. He does provide a net presence (or at least he did in Toronto) but he is slow and by now probably a liability on defense. At this point, I'm also comfortable with no moves at all today if there is nothing out there that tempts RF to make a move.

Yeah, I'm not sure about him.
He seems like a power play specialist that can't really keep up anymore playing 5v5 and I don't think he fits the teams style of play.

Only need him for the next 3 months. I think he's got that much in the tank.

That said, I'm also comfortable with no moves. The west really wasn't shaken up pretty much at all. The east though. Glad we're in the west.

I'd be OK with no moves and I'm actually curious about Soucy the most.

This is not the year to go for it for the Kraken and by keeping most assets the team actually gains an advantage on those other teams further down the line.

BTW: It's supposedly only Vegas and Seattle for JVR and so far neither seem to have given in on trading a 3rd rounder for him.

 

[Scomerica]

GMRF meeting with the media at 12.30. Wonder if there is any news.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

GMRF meeting with the media at 12.30. Wonder if there is any news.

The TDL's done at 12:00 p.m. PT today.