Rochester Americans and Jacksonville Icemen 2023-2024 PLAYOFF Thread; Game3 - 7:00 pm EDT, May 2nd

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[Chainshot]

So can we get more clarity on if Clague and Jost are not being sent back for the playoffs?

 

[Chainshot]

Almost 25 minutes is longer than most of Donnie's pressers.

- Laaouan praise for his style and shot blocking.
- Praise for Warren (again) for his physical game and how he has developed his game. "Forechecking menace" and shot blocking praise, credit to him doing it.
- "We need everybody" - injury happens, people have to step in.
- Lots of chatter about Novikov, his offensive instincts at 5-on-5 and his defensive game.
- Praise for Wahlberg. Trusts him already. "He wants to be in hard areas."
- "You need straight line guys to win."

 

[Chainshot]

No Jost, no Clague is f***ing stupid.

 

[Jim Bob]

I wonder if Ostlund is healthy enough to get some games?

 

[Chainshot]

I wonder if Ostlund is healthy enough to get some games?

Hey, nothing reported from the team and the only info was a wave and thanks social media post by the player. Good thing Buffalo is all on top of these things and not leaving everyone wondering what the next step is. Hell, they could’ve announced. They were bringing him to town to evaluate whatever’s going on for him physically and at least that’s information. Nope, can’t do that, too busy being better every day.

 

[joshjull]

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@dotcommunism

Any idea what is he referring to?

 

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@dotcommunism

Any idea what is he referring to?

I have no idea. I was wondering if they messed up the timing of the recall on clear day and would have to waive them back to Rochester.

 

[Beerz]

I have no idea. I was wondering if they messed up the timing of the recall on clear day and would have to waive them back to Rochester.

Is it because they're free agents and are now considered not part of team?

 

[Chainshot]

Is it because they're free agents and are now considered not part of team?

I honestly don't know what the hell this is about. I wonder if they messed up the timing on the clear day roster move but that they are UFA's doesn't seem relevant. They are under contract until the last day of June.

 

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[Fjordy]

No Jost, no Clague is f***ing stupid.

They shouldn't be in Buffalo next season.

 

[Chainshot]

They shouldn't be in Buffalo next season.

They can be in Rochester to help the guys who they are trying to develop for next year go farther in the playoffs THIS year.

 

[Gabrielor]

On one hand, losing Jost and Clague for what sounds like transactional reasons sucks.

On the other, it means Ostlund could see the ice. and Savoie if his run is cut short.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Chainshot]

On one hand, losing Jost and Clague for what sounds like transactional reasons sucks.

On the other, it means Ostlund could see the ice. and Savoie if his run is cut short.

Given the hurts on the blueline, Clague, even as dubious as his defensive game has been, can provide them with something in depth.

Same with Jost since Biro and Jobst both suffer from being slight and often physically targeted.

Clarification would be welcome having followed this sport for over 50 years and not having heard of why this would happen shy of them messing up the recall on clear day.

 

[Jacob582]

I didn't want Hinostroza and Bjork on last year's playoff team and I didn't want Jost and Clague on this year's playoff team.

 

[Zman5778]

I didn't want Jost and Clague on this year's playoff team.

Why? They might not be good NHL players, but Jost and Clague ABSOLUTELY have something to offer Rochester.

 

[Chainshot]

I didn't want Hinostroza and Bjork on last year's playoff team and I didn't want Jost and Clague on this year's playoff team.

In terms of how ideas go, that's one.

 

[Gabrielor]

I didn't want Hinostroza and Bjork on last year's playoff team and I didn't want Jost and Clague on this year's playoff team.

They ran 7 d multiple games vs Hershey in the conf finals; you bet your ass I would've taken Vinnie or Bjork.

(Yes, I'm a google sheet psycho)

You're telling me you didn't want Bjork/Vinnie over Kohen Olischefski? Really?

 

[Chainshot]

Rousek with Biro and Weissbach - "time to show he is done" with the AHL.
Levi starts tonight.
Ceccone back.
Weissbach was ill, didn't miss practices Monday or Tuesday.


I'm consistently impressed that Appert NEVER gives something that could be bulletin board material for the other teams.

 

[Gabrielor]

For those who aren't familiar, a refresher:

The 22-23 Amerks made a run to the conference finals, where they lost in 6 to a big, physical, defensive team in Hershey (Capitals farm team). Sidenote: Hershey won the Calder Cup, and are currently the favorite to win it again after a president's trophy-equivalent season in 23-24.


The Amerks' run was due to a couple of things:

1. Malcolm Subban was an average AHL goalie, and went on a crazy heater, with a .916 SV% through 14 games.

2. Lawrence Pilut scored an OT winner in game 5 (its a best of 5 series) vs Syracuse in their 1st playoff series, which catapulted the whole run.

3. Kulich and Rosen shined at times (Kulich specifically, had a HUGE impact), combining for 11 goals in the playoffs, but...

4. The proudction was mostly carried by AHL vets, not Sabre prospects. Michael Mersch and Mason Jobst, 2 AHL-only deals, were the top scorers. Lukas Rousek, Brett Murray, Linus Weissbach, and Sean Malone, along with D Ethan Prow and Pilut, rounded out the rest of the top 10 scorers. Minus Rousek, none are prospects anymore. Just NHL/AHL (mostly AHL) tweeners.

Conclusion: This was a run about a hot goalie, a team that found a complete game style around game 3 of the Syracuse series that they didn't show the ENTIRE regular season, and a veteran core of AHLers leading the way, not the prospects.


In 23-24, the roster is largely the same, with a few key differences:

-Subban is gone, Levi is in. You'd hope that's a big upgrade

-Pilut is gone, Ryan Johnson and Nikita Novikov are here now. Experience downgrade, upside upgrade.

-The forward core is basically the same, with Malone gone, Biro healthy this time (he missed the entire 22-23 run), and rookies Wahlberg and Neuchev here, and making an impact. We'll also see if Ostlund or Savoie play at all. Savoie did play 2 games in the 22-23 run, but had no chemistry with anyone on a new team, and Rochester rightly put back in a vet.


I wish Jost/Clague could've come to bolster the depth, but the Amerks still have a punchers chance to repeat last year. It'll depend on goaltending, if the vets can be productive again, and if the rookies can have an impact again.

 

[Jacob582]

You're telling me you didn't want Bjork/Vinnie over Kohen Olischefski? Really?

Bjork and Vinnie would have been about as useful as Jiri Sejba. They didn't want to be there!!

They weren't AHL vets who bought into the team like the Mersch's and Prow's of the world.

 

[Gabrielor]

Bjork and Vinnie would have been about as useful as Jiri Sejba. They didn't want to be there!!

They weren't AHL vets who bought into the team like the Mersch's and Prow's of the world.

That's interesting, because...

Vinnie's in the AHL right now, with a nice stat line. He'd have been incredibly useful. You're just being silly.

I don't care if he didn't want to be there in season, playoff runs are always different, especially when you're winning.

 

[Chainshot]

That's interesting, because...

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Vinnie's in the AHL right now, with a nice stat line. He'd have been incredibly useful. You're just being silly.

I don't care if he didn't want to be there in season, playoff runs are always different, especially when you're winning.

Bjork's spent the whole season this year with Rockford on an AHL deal. I think they knew that was where their playing career was headed. Same with Jost and Clague this year - go out and show you don't belong there.