Value of: Risto and or Reinhart

[Beerz]

First time the Sabres have actually looked decent in the month of October in a very very long time and the knee jerk reactions to a late goal and an OT loss are flying.

Neither of them are playing very well right now, but I like what Botts has done with the roster, and I'm perfectly fine with both of them staying put.

Not really knee jerk at all (on my part anyways) .. I've been done with the two for well over a year. I wouldn't sell them for trash but I'd like to move them if the return makes sense

 

[Beerz]

Edmontons 1st , Lucic and Puljujarvi for both players

You better keep adding something substantial.

Oilers 1st and Pool Party isnt going to get Risto and Reinhart .. then you went ahead and have us take on an anchor of a contract

 

[HabsTown]

Mtl would be open for both, mostly Risto

What would it take for Buff to make a move with Mtl for Risto ?

What? not at all... RHD is the last place we need help.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Something like...

well i'd like Rasmus Sandin but I know how high the Leafs are on him so I wouldn't expect him. Maybe Grundstrom.

Risto and Reinhart are relatively cheap contract wise, I assume we'd have to give William Nylander $7M.

 

[Leafs87]

Nylander for Risto?

 

[YP44]

Any interest in Martinez + for Reinhart?

 

[Brock Radunske]

As a Sabres fan I'm ready to move them but not for trash offers, Reinhart could burn us badly, I've always said he's going to be a late bloomer and we won't see the best of him until his mid and late 20's but I'm tired of him. Risto could as well with a new team where he'd slot in as a 2nd pair guy and 2nd PP quarterback.

I'd like William Nylander, Risto and Reinhart would help Toronto, but I'd need them to add something.

Something built around that would be worth a discussion. I don't really like either players a lot individually but the Leafs would be a lot deeper with a move like that.
I'm not sure what the plus on TO's side would be, though.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

I have been asking for Adam Larsson for Risto for a while now.

Reinhart + 1st (top-5 protected) for Stone (Ott).



Deal?

 

[1972]

Ristolainen would get alot because GM's are obsessed with the idea of what he is. Big, strong, physical right handed D with skill? They will line up for that.

 

[Gabrielor]

I would agree to a trade for either, but it would be with some vision in mind (ie, the Sabres want to build strength down the middle / on the backend).

either of these, or both, would have to be a fair hockey trade, not a gimme a grabbag trade.

In truth, I think this post comes too soon in the season, and will be regretted in 2 months.

 

[TFHockey]

How about:



2019 1st top ten protected (if protected, 2020 unprotected 1st)
Puljujarvi
Conditional 2019 2nd (if 1st dealt in 2019, 2nd becomes a 2020)
Kassian (Oilers have to move money out to make room) $1.95 Million AAV
Russell (NTC waived, money moved to make room ) $4.00 Million AAV
Ethan Bear (RHD Prospect)

for



Ristolainen

 

[YP44]

How about:



2019 1st top ten protected (if protected, 2020 unprotected 1st)
Puljujarvi
Conditional 2019 2nd (if 1st dealt in 2019, 2nd becomes a 2020)
Kassian (Oilers have to move money out to make room) $1.95 Million AAV
Russell (NTC waived, money moved to make room ) $4.00 Million AAV
Ethan Bear (RHD Prospect)

for



Ristolainen

I think the sabers are beyond the point of trading for just futures no? Are they not looking to take the next step to bubble playoff team?

 

[YP44]

I would agree to a trade for either, but it would be with some vision in mind (ie, the Sabres want to build strength down the middle / on the backend).

either of these, or both, would have to be a fair hockey trade, not a gimme a grabbag trade.

In truth, I think this post comes too soon in the season, and will be regretted in 2 months.

Jeff Carter?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

What? not at all... RHD is the last place we need help.

You would prefer to continue with Juulsen over Ristolainen ?

 

[Djp]

If Buffalo moves either it will be for players at equivalent lengths and team control---not for 1sts not for old players, not for contract dumps.

 

[Kamiccolo]

well i'd like Rasmus Sandin but I know how high the Leafs are on him so I wouldn't expect him. Maybe Grundstrom.

Risto and Reinhart are relatively cheap contract wise, I assume we'd have to give William Nylander $7M.

Nylander >>> Reinhart. I am not really sure if he will be an NHL player in 5 years if I am honest. He has had flashes but otherwise is just a passenger and the Leafs have guys like that already in Connor Brown.

Risto does have some appeal - mostly because he is a RD and getting him would help the loss of Gardiner while saving money there. However, Risto is really bad defensively and takes a lot of dumb penalties.

It's intriguing if he got a steady partner at LD (Like Dermott) and was given 2nd pair matchups instead of first pair how would he do? What could Babcock do to his overall game? Could he transform his game like he did with so many other players who were pretty one dimensional? It also gives them a replacement weapon for the 2nd PP unit.

I'm really not sure. I am not sure if moving Nylander for two reclamation projects is the smartest thing to do. If they do not rebound, that's a potential terrible contract (over 5 M) on defense (and if Zaitsev suddenly become terrible again this year that's 10M in cap dumps on defense) and Reinhart maybe busting right out of the league while Nylander lights up the Leafs on Eichel's wing 6 times a year.

 

[CapnZin]

None of that fixes Risto requiring PP time, though. Let's say you do decide to make room for him there.

I don't think anyone is displacing Gostisbehere from PP1, nor do I want to move Sanheim off of PP2. That means you're sticking to 3F/2D long-term on the 2nd unit. You're also not giving Provorov any PP time, with which I have zero issue, but I'm not sure the org agrees there.

If I'm going to go out and give premium value for a player, I want to maximize his abilities, not hope he can fix his shortcomings and become a completely different player.

I don’t really think a mid first, A prospect, and #5 is prime value for a bonafide top 3 RHDman.

I do understand the argument of PP time. EV raw numbers: 21G - 52A - 73TP In 358GP
PP raw numbers: 11G - 70A - 81TP In 358GP.

It’s the same argument for Wayne Simmonds, but I think Ristolainen would be good on PHI. Maybe he could be shelters as the #4 with ghost, so Risto can focus on his D game. Either that or play with Provy.

 

[57special]

So, RR is having a slow start to the season. Big deal. If BUF was to move him, it would probably be for another Dman of similar age and talent level. Who's going to make that deal?

Reinhart...well, he's no Pominville...

If traded, he would get a mid tier player back. The further away from his draft year he gets, the less his draft position is going to impress GM's. Certain teams need competent middle six depth(i.e. EDM, CO, DAL), but I can't see many teams trading for him expecting him to be a top line player. One thing adding to his value is his very nice contract.

Basically, I think that BUF should stay with both players. They are still young, and at the very least should provide good depth going forward.

 

[HabsTown]

You would prefer to continue with Juulsen over Ristolainen ?

I'd prefer not wasting precious assets on Risto for a few weeks until Weber's back... so yes I'd prefer Petry-Juulsen-whoever + assets kept instead of paying a big price for someone who's gonna be on our 3rd pair once Weber's back. It's is a very short sight thinking that you have IMO... especially when Juulsen doesn't look too much out of place and is already x1000 better on the D-side than Risto.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I'd prefer not wasting precious assets on Risto for a few weeks until Weber's back... so yes I'd prefer Petry-Juulsen-whoever + assets kept instead of paying a big price for someone who's gonna be on our 3rd pair once Weber's back. It's is a very short sight thinking that you have IMO... especially when Juulsen doesn't look too much out of place and is already x1000 better on the D-side than Risto.

Risto is a big plus over Juulsen, he had a terrible start but he is still able to become a future elite D, he has an upside of a #1 D, Juulsen doesn't.
Also I don't see Petry on the long term with Mtl, we should trade him next year or this year to maximize his value

 

[Morning Dart]

Nylander >>> Reinhart. I am not really sure if he will be an NHL player in 5 years if I am honest. He has had flashes but otherwise is just a passenger and the Leafs have guys like that already in Connor Brown.

Risto does have some appeal - mostly because he is a RD and getting him would help the loss of Gardiner while saving money there. However, Risto is really bad defensively and takes a lot of dumb penalties.

It's intriguing if he got a steady partner at LD (Like Dermott) and was given 2nd pair matchups instead of first pair how would he do? What could Babcock do to his overall game? Could he transform his game like he did with so many other players who were pretty one dimensional? It also gives them a replacement weapon for the 2nd PP unit.

I'm really not sure. I am not sure if moving Nylander for two reclamation projects is the smartest thing to do. If they do not rebound, that's a potential terrible contract (over 5 M) on defense (and if Zaitsev suddenly become terrible again this year that's 10M in cap dumps on defense) and Reinhart maybe busting right out of the league while Nylander lights up the Leafs on Eichel's wing 6 times a year.

This is kind of my feeling on it as well. I think I’m always tricking myself into believing Risto is the stud we saw at the World Juniors and coming into his draft year, and a part of me believes Buffalo just hasn’t been a fit for him for whatever reason, and if he was able to play with Rielly or Dermott it might sort him out...

I don’t know if I’m totally on board with your assessment of Reinhart, but definitely a boom/bust trade from our end.

 

[Yatzhee]

I only see a handful of teams willing to part with asset(s) for him.
Edmonton, NYI, Toronto and Arizona. I don't see other organizations interested in moving the asset(s) necessary, I could be wrong.

As for Reinhart, they are going to give him time to catch on. His line mates may still be in Rochester. He's on a 2 year deal reasonable deal.

 

[Jim Bob]

I think people need to reframe their expectations for Risto and Samson.

Samson will never be a franchise center 2OV pick kind of player. But, he is an effective player on a decent short term contract. There is no need to move him unless the offer makes sense over the short and medium term.

Ristolainen's biggest issue is his usage. He isn't an all situations #1 minute muncher D. But, that is how the Sabres have been using him.

If they change his usage to more of an OZS/PP guy and know that he isn't a shutdown D, then that should solve a lot of problems.

I seriously think that most complaints about these two wouldn't exist if they were 2nd or 3rd round picks.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Tanev+Juolevi+Baertschi for Ristolainen+Reinhart

 

[Uberpecker]

Tanev+Juolevi+Baertschi for Ristolainen+Reinhart

Offers like these are the reason why I usually stay away from the trade board after a loss.