Boxing: RIP Muhammad Ali

[aleshemsky83]

never saw any of his fights, and I don't really know much about him other than of course he was a legendary fighter and was arrogant as hell and quite a character. I think that's what made him unique he certainly had some epic lines. I'm guessing he also had a very amazing record. So that's pretty much my knowledge of him as an athlete superstar.

About his persona, I just know that he was very vocal about the social realities of his race and skipped the draft and was jailed for it. I also know about his conversion to Islam and dropping what he called his "slave/christian name" for an authentic black name to fit him. Well that I just think is laughable because he changed his name to an Arab name

but he was without a doubt a cultural icon

He took a muslim name.

I'm not a muslim anymore but how is that a contradiction?

Also, people need to understand that like malcolm x much of what ali believed as a young man in the black and white film, or the grainy outdated technicolor you saw on youtube he stopped believing over 40 years ago. So much ridiculousness out there.

 

[Fighter]

Not the Greatest of All Time for me, but a legend indeed and a gigantic person too. So long Muhammad Ali...

 

[MarkStone]

He took a muslim name.

I'm not a muslim anymore but how is that a contradiction?

Also, people need to understand that like malcolm x much of what ali believed as a young man in the black and white film, or the grainy outdated technicolor you saw on youtube he stopped believing over 40 years ago. So much ridiculousness out there.

Thank You! People seem to not realize this or conveniently want to overlook it for the sake of an agenda.

 

[Panteras]

He took a muslim name.

I'm not a muslim anymore but how is that a contradiction?

Also, people need to understand that like malcolm x much of what ali believed as a young man in the black and white film, or the grainy outdated technicolor you saw on youtube he stopped believing over 40 years ago. So much ridiculousness out there.

the contradiction is that Islam was brought by Arabs and black Africans were converted into it and Arabs were heavy into the slave trade in Africa way way waaaay before the European slave trade in Africa. Google the Arab slave trade, so yes it's stupid and a contradiction. Neverthless I just commented on this particular idea and I agree that people change. The same ignorant idea that Malcolm X upon traveling and seeing the world made him change. So I agree with you on that, I'm not saying otherwise. Just commenting on the reason for his name change is ridiculous.

 

[Jeypic]

View attachment 90285a buddy of mine sent this to me, his grandpa used to be a trainer at maple leaf gardens. Word he gave me was this was the first time Mohammed Ali ever held a hockey skate. Thought it was pretty cool and had to share.

 

[Alvalanker*]

RIP
MUHAMMAD ALI
Greatest of all Times​

 

[Lotusflower]

Can someone explain to me why Ali was racist again?

Racist in that he railed against a systemic oppression of his own people in his OWN country?

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Let me join in those that is shaking my head at the ridiculousness out there as well.

Yes, Ali said inflammatory and racist things. Not because he was racist, however. It's convenient and oh so revisionist of these people, here, in this thread, to leave out the context of the times and the situations in which he found himself in, however. Battling against. Fighting with. Struggling to retain what little humanity he was afforded at the time and trying to achieve more.

Muhammad Ali was not a racist. Yes, he was contradictory. Yes, he was inflammatory. Yes, he did make mistakes. Yes he deserves respect. And yes, he should be commended and idolized for his controversial views in an oppressive time and having the integrity, self belief and courage in himself for standing up and being a loud, proud unapologetically black male which still scares some people today.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Can someone explain to me why Ali was racist again?

Racist in that he railed against a systemic oppression of his own people in his OWN country?

How dare he have the nerve to not stick with the status quo and hope and pray that it'd all go away if he did.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

View attachment 90285a buddy of mine sent this to me, his grandpa used to be a trainer at maple leaf gardens. Word he gave me was this was the first time Mohammed Ali ever held a hockey skate. Thought it was pretty cool and had to share.

Thanks for sharing this. Very cool.