Post-Game Talk: Remember when Our Biggest Fear was Goaltending? 9th Olympic CDN Gold in Hockey
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Duffman955
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I would say on paper, Leafs are not behind Detroit, and you are talking about 2 Stanley Cup caliber coaches here.
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Which country were you cheering for, because it appears you seem very angry on a day where Canada is celebrating and rejoicing in its Olympic hockey success?.
Seems like an odd time to be ripping on a 2 X repeat gold medal winning coach.
Canada put on a defensive clinic with a lot of offensively gifted players many not necessarily known for their defensive prowess, but seem to have bought into a winning coaches system.
Carlyle only won with Pronger, Neidermayer, Getzlaf, Perry, etc. and a top 10 goaltender. Murray basically built that team for Burke and then he and Randy took all the credit. I mean, that's the party line around here, isn't it?
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Thats the same as saying Babcock only won with Lidtsrom, Datsyuk, Zetterburg, Rafalski etc.
I think Babcock is a fine coach, maybe not as amazing as some make him out to be, but he definitely gets results.
Canada.
Not odd at all. He's getting kudos he doesn't deserve.
Crosby, Bergeron, Kunitz, Sharp, Toews, Nash, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Vlasic, Doughty: these are the guys you are claiming aren't known for their defensive effort?
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That's what has happened. Without Lidstrom and with Zetts and Datsyuk deteriorating, he can't win anything. His reputation is entirely built on Holland's drafting luck more than a decade ago.
I've said it all along - TC's defense is elite, their transition game is surreal, and even though the forwards weren't finishing as much their possession and cycle game was unmatched .. At no point in any game in this tournament did I feel a moment where we'd lose a game .. They just controlled the play so well even if the game was close
Great to see Toews and Sid lead the way today though when they needed to step it up most, and props to Kunitz for providing a big goal after all the **** he'd taken
What an epic performance by an amazing team. Class. Skill. Grit. Finesse. Awesome. The Best. Crosby, Toews, Price, Weber, Doughty et al. fantastic. They did Canada proud!
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Canada just went 6-0 in the Olympics and won Gold..
They surrendered a mere 3 goals in 6 games including shutting out the competition in the medal rounds.
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They never trailed a single second in any game they played.
These are things no other previous team has ever accomplished.
What could Canada have done better, not let in those other 3 goals and be perfect posting 6 straight shutouts?
This was a performance for the ages that you are not likely to see another team duplicate any time soon. However I can see coaches all over using this system and using Canada as a role model for successful hockey.
BertCorbeau
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^ If I read it correctly, it was because Canada had such a talented group of players on the ice .. Babcock and the coaching staff had little to do with it
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Well then, could have saved a lot of time and just awarded Team Canada the Gold as part of the opening ceremonies if it was a foregone conclusion.
I'm sure lots of countries would like to be able to copy the "system"of having by far the best collection of players in the world to choose from.
Then they could probably win with Babcock coaching, too.
Then they could probably win with Babcock coaching, too.
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Well then, could have saved a lot of time and just awarded Team Canada the Gold as part of the opening ceremonies if it was a foregone conclusion.
Then it would be just like the Corsi Cup wouldn't it? Well, maybe not because the oddsmakers were giving Canada better odds than Corsi prior to the tournament. I mean without a single shot into a single solitary shinpad the oddsmakers figured Canada would win 4 out of 5 times. It doesn't get a lot better than that. Or are the odds not important?
Looks like the experts knew Canada's talent level far exceeded the other nations before the Games began. It's not that hard.
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Are you sure that you were cheering for Canada, and realize that they just won and World Championship?.
Your posts sound more like someone that was cheering for a team that got shutout 2 X in the medal rounds and not the one doing the shutting out.
Yes. Why can't someone critique a successful team? There's always room for improvement.
The talent on the team was the best in the world. Let's not go making the mistake of attributing that success to 'the system' or a coach who is made by the players.
The talent on the team was the best in the world. Let's not go making the mistake of attributing that success to 'the system' or a coach who is made by the players.
BertCorbeau
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The only thing you could critique about Canada this tournament is that they lacked finish and couldn't score more goals
There really wasn't any improvement that needed to be done beyond that...And when I say that it was a team effort - from the coaches to the players .. Everyone did their job, and did it well
My point is you can't place little weight on coaching when it in fact can make a big difference .. A good structured system can make any team competitive and catch more talented teams off guard if they're not careful .. Canada was careful in this tournament against teams like Norway and Finland who play that well structured hockey, in 2006 when the Swiss knocked out Canada it Torino that TC was not careful
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If there wasn't a need for coaches, then why do professional sports clubs spend big $ on them in every sport? If they really had no barring on the results of games then don't you think that club owners would rather not spend big dollars on something that doesn't help your business?
We see a coaches effect on team's and players all the time. Look at the Leafs, we were one of, if not the least physical team under Wilson. When Randy took over we immediately became the most physical team and team's hated us for it. We also see it when players struggle under one coach then play great with someone else.
We see a coaches effect on team's and players all the time. Look at the Leafs, we were one of, if not the least physical team under Wilson. When Randy took over we immediately became the most physical team and team's hated us for it. We also see it when players struggle under one coach then play great with someone else.
So if a team or a player is successful, we can surmise that their coach is good? But that would mean that Carlyle is a better coach than Wilson and a better coach than over 50% of the coaches in the NHL over the past two seasons. In fact, that would mean he's even better than Babcock. And that can't be because Carlyle is terrible.
Said by those who don't know enough about the game to recognize a system or the adjustments that happen throughout the game.
Even in the gold medal game the Swedes were arguably outplaying us until a very clear and decisive change in strategy about half way through the first. The Swedes never countered the tactical change
The Swedes didn't have the talent to counter Canada's. Most of their most talented offensive players were out of the lineup.
Of course, even the Olympic Committee recognises the real contribution of the players versus the coaches and doesn't award the coaches with medals.
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The Blue Devil
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Its the Carlyle is a bad coach part that is ridiculous lol
Either way your arguments are flimsy and ignores a plethora of examples of better teams losing out to lesser quality squads.
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