Red Sox/MLB Regular Season VIII: Game 162 OH MY!!!!!
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Looking at possible pitching matchups assuming the Sox win tomorrow:
Yanks have Cole lined up for the WC game, if they get forced into a tiebreaker Monday, then Kluber goes Tuesday. In a 3-way double-tiebreaker, then WC game would be Cortes, which might be worse for us TQBH.
Jays and Mariners can only qualify via a game 163 at this point
Jays have Berrios set to go for a tiebreaker then Robbie Ray for the WC. If there's a 3 way tie the Jays would get to choose to only play one game, so they wouldn't have to worry about shuffling things around toomuch.
Mariners are in the toughest spot here because Servais has shortened his bench and been rolling out a 4 man rotation the last two times around to stay in the hunt. Tyler Anderson has to pitch tomorrow, so it's either Logan Gilbert or Yusei Kikuchi for Monday (neither of whom are any good), and if they make it to Tuesday, they either have the other one or Marco Gonzalez with 3 days' rest. If they wind up in a 3 way tie and somehow beat both NY and Toronto, then you either get a rested Gonzalez (if he didn't pitch game 164) or Flexen on short rest.
Yanks have Cole lined up for the WC game, if they get forced into a tiebreaker Monday, then Kluber goes Tuesday. In a 3-way double-tiebreaker, then WC game would be Cortes, which might be worse for us TQBH.
Jays and Mariners can only qualify via a game 163 at this point
Jays have Berrios set to go for a tiebreaker then Robbie Ray for the WC. If there's a 3 way tie the Jays would get to choose to only play one game, so they wouldn't have to worry about shuffling things around toomuch.
Mariners are in the toughest spot here because Servais has shortened his bench and been rolling out a 4 man rotation the last two times around to stay in the hunt. Tyler Anderson has to pitch tomorrow, so it's either Logan Gilbert or Yusei Kikuchi for Monday (neither of whom are any good), and if they make it to Tuesday, they either have the other one or Marco Gonzalez with 3 days' rest. If they wind up in a 3 way tie and somehow beat both NY and Toronto, then you either get a rested Gonzalez (if he didn't pitch game 164) or Flexen on short rest.
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That’s true for several reasons, including the following:
We’d have to watch Robles pitch in the playoffs
We’d have to watch Barnes pitch in the playoffs
We’d have to watch Ottavino pitch in the playoffs
We might have to watch Austin Davis pitch in the playoffs
We’d have to watch Richards pitch in the playoffs
We’d have to watch Sawamura pitch in the playoffs
We’d have to watch Darwinzon pitch in the playoffs
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On a side note I’ve seen that some teams can choose to play multiple games if there’s a big tie breaker scenario. Why would anyone do that?
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With apologies to Hawk Harrelson - Bases full of seamen -2 outs, full count.....
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MLB has gotten the final day they dreamed of
Pretty simple now
If both the Red Sox and NYY win today they will play Tuesday, Oct. 5 at Fenway on ESPN at 8 PM
But if one falters
Red Sox: 91-70 (current 1st Wild Card)
Yankees: 91-70 (current 2nd Wild Card)
Blue Jays: 90-71 (one game back of 2nd Wild Card)
Mariners: 90-71 (one game back of 2nd Wild Card)
There remains a chance the Giants and Dodgers could wind up tied in the National League West if San Francisco loses and Los Angeles wins on Sunday. But that's a straightforward scenario: If it happens, they would play a tiebreaker game Monday in San Francisco (by virtue of the Giants' 10-9 head-to-head record). Winner is the division champ and No. 1 seed in the NL, loser is the host of the NL Wild Card Game on Wednesday.
Here's what the four teams remaining in the AL Wild Card race have on tap in their final games Sunday:
Blue Jays vs. Orioles
Mariners vs. Angels
Red Sox at Nationals
Yankees vs. Rays
And remember, just to make this all the more compelling, every game on the schedule Sunday for the season finale begins at 3 p.m. ET.
You're probably wondering what would happen if all or some of these teams are tied at the end of Sunday's play. So here's your tie guide:
FOUR-WAY TIE FOR TWO WILD CARD SPOTS
Example: Yankees go 0-1; Red Sox go 0-1, Mariners go 1-0, Blue Jays go 1-0
What happens next: The above scenario is the only possible four-way tie, and it means all four teams finish with 91 wins (which is the win ceiling for Toronto and Seattle). Each team would choose or receive an A, B, C or D designation. The club with the highest winning percentage in games among the tied clubs chooses first, second-highest chooses second, etc. In this scenario, the Red Sox (24-21 against the others) get first choice, the Blue Jays (22-22) choose second, the Yankees (22-23) choose third and the Mariners (9-11) get the leftover spot.
On Monday, Club A (likely the Red Sox) would host Club B, and Club C (likely the Blue Jays) would host Club D. So for the Yankees, it would come down to a choice of traveling to either Boston or Toronto.
The winners of those two games on Monday would face each other Tuesday in the AL Wild Card Game.
THREE-WAY TIE FOR TWO WILD CARD SPOTS
Example: Yankees go 0-1; Red Sox go 0-1; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 0-1
What happens next: There are other possible iterations of this, but, in this example, the Yankees, Red Sox and Mariners all finish with 91 wins, while the Blue Jays finish with 90 and just miss out.
For the three tied clubs, A, B and C designations would be assigned based on the head-to-head records. In this example, the Red Sox have the season edge on both the Yankees and the Mariners, so they would choose A, B or C first. The Yankees won the season series over Seattle, so they would choose second. The Mariners would get whichever spot is left over.
Club A would host Club B on Monday. The winner of that game would be declared one AL Wild Card team. Club C would then host the loser of that game on Tuesday to determine the second Wild Card team, with the actual AL Wild Card Game pushed back.
For the Red Sox, the designation decision would come down to having up to two chances to advance (as Club A) or taking their chances on a single game at home (as Club C) against a team that has not rested and has had to travel.
THREE-WAY TIE FOR 2ND WILD CARD SPOT
Example: Yankees go 1-0; Red Sox go 0-1; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 1-0
What happens next: In this example, the Yankees nail down the top Wild Card spot and get to host the AL Wild Card Game. But we'd need two tiebreaker games to determine their opponent.
The Red Sox have the head-to-head edge against both the Mariners and Blue Jays so they would choose an A, B or C designation first. The Mariners have the season edge on the Blue Jays, so they would choose second. The Blue Jays get whatever is left over.
Club A hosts Club B on Monday. The winner of that game then hosts Club C on Tuesday to determine who travels to face the Yankees in the AL Wild Card Game, which would have to be pushed back.
Here, the choice for the Red Sox would come down to having to win twice at home (as Club A) or taking your chances on one game as the rested road team against the A-B winner (as Club C).
TWO-WAY TIE FOR 1ST WILD CARD SPOT
Example: Yankees go 1-0; Red Sox go 1-0; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 1-0
What happens next: Here, only the Yankees and Red Sox, with 92 wins apiece, would qualify for the AL Wild Card Game. The Mariners and Blue Jays would be on the outside looking in with 91 wins apiece.
All that would need to be settled is who gets to host the Wild Card Game, and that would be handled mathematically, not with a game. The Red Sox won the head-to-head series, 10-9, so the AL Wild Card Game would be at Fenway Park on Tuesday.
TWO-WAY TIE FOR 2ND WILD CARD SPOT
Example: Yankees go 1-0; Red Sox go 0-1; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 0-1
What happens next: With the Yankees grabbing the top spot (and AL Wild Card Game hosting duties) and the Blue Jays eliminated in this example, the Red Sox and Mariners would play a Monday tiebreaker to determine who heads to the Bronx on Tuesday. The Red Sox would host the tiebreaker game by virtue of their 4-3 record over the Mariners in the head-to-head season series.
If both the Red Sox and NYY win today they will play Tuesday, Oct. 5 at Fenway on ESPN at 8 PM
But if one falters
Red Sox: 91-70 (current 1st Wild Card)
Yankees: 91-70 (current 2nd Wild Card)
Blue Jays: 90-71 (one game back of 2nd Wild Card)
Mariners: 90-71 (one game back of 2nd Wild Card)
There remains a chance the Giants and Dodgers could wind up tied in the National League West if San Francisco loses and Los Angeles wins on Sunday. But that's a straightforward scenario: If it happens, they would play a tiebreaker game Monday in San Francisco (by virtue of the Giants' 10-9 head-to-head record). Winner is the division champ and No. 1 seed in the NL, loser is the host of the NL Wild Card Game on Wednesday.
Here's what the four teams remaining in the AL Wild Card race have on tap in their final games Sunday:
Blue Jays vs. Orioles
Mariners vs. Angels
Red Sox at Nationals
Yankees vs. Rays
And remember, just to make this all the more compelling, every game on the schedule Sunday for the season finale begins at 3 p.m. ET.
You're probably wondering what would happen if all or some of these teams are tied at the end of Sunday's play. So here's your tie guide:
FOUR-WAY TIE FOR TWO WILD CARD SPOTS
Example: Yankees go 0-1; Red Sox go 0-1, Mariners go 1-0, Blue Jays go 1-0
What happens next: The above scenario is the only possible four-way tie, and it means all four teams finish with 91 wins (which is the win ceiling for Toronto and Seattle). Each team would choose or receive an A, B, C or D designation. The club with the highest winning percentage in games among the tied clubs chooses first, second-highest chooses second, etc. In this scenario, the Red Sox (24-21 against the others) get first choice, the Blue Jays (22-22) choose second, the Yankees (22-23) choose third and the Mariners (9-11) get the leftover spot.
On Monday, Club A (likely the Red Sox) would host Club B, and Club C (likely the Blue Jays) would host Club D. So for the Yankees, it would come down to a choice of traveling to either Boston or Toronto.
The winners of those two games on Monday would face each other Tuesday in the AL Wild Card Game.
THREE-WAY TIE FOR TWO WILD CARD SPOTS
Example: Yankees go 0-1; Red Sox go 0-1; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 0-1
What happens next: There are other possible iterations of this, but, in this example, the Yankees, Red Sox and Mariners all finish with 91 wins, while the Blue Jays finish with 90 and just miss out.
For the three tied clubs, A, B and C designations would be assigned based on the head-to-head records. In this example, the Red Sox have the season edge on both the Yankees and the Mariners, so they would choose A, B or C first. The Yankees won the season series over Seattle, so they would choose second. The Mariners would get whichever spot is left over.
Club A would host Club B on Monday. The winner of that game would be declared one AL Wild Card team. Club C would then host the loser of that game on Tuesday to determine the second Wild Card team, with the actual AL Wild Card Game pushed back.
For the Red Sox, the designation decision would come down to having up to two chances to advance (as Club A) or taking their chances on a single game at home (as Club C) against a team that has not rested and has had to travel.
THREE-WAY TIE FOR 2ND WILD CARD SPOT
Example: Yankees go 1-0; Red Sox go 0-1; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 1-0
What happens next: In this example, the Yankees nail down the top Wild Card spot and get to host the AL Wild Card Game. But we'd need two tiebreaker games to determine their opponent.
The Red Sox have the head-to-head edge against both the Mariners and Blue Jays so they would choose an A, B or C designation first. The Mariners have the season edge on the Blue Jays, so they would choose second. The Blue Jays get whatever is left over.
Club A hosts Club B on Monday. The winner of that game then hosts Club C on Tuesday to determine who travels to face the Yankees in the AL Wild Card Game, which would have to be pushed back.
Here, the choice for the Red Sox would come down to having to win twice at home (as Club A) or taking your chances on one game as the rested road team against the A-B winner (as Club C).
TWO-WAY TIE FOR 1ST WILD CARD SPOT
Example: Yankees go 1-0; Red Sox go 1-0; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 1-0
What happens next: Here, only the Yankees and Red Sox, with 92 wins apiece, would qualify for the AL Wild Card Game. The Mariners and Blue Jays would be on the outside looking in with 91 wins apiece.
All that would need to be settled is who gets to host the Wild Card Game, and that would be handled mathematically, not with a game. The Red Sox won the head-to-head series, 10-9, so the AL Wild Card Game would be at Fenway Park on Tuesday.
TWO-WAY TIE FOR 2ND WILD CARD SPOT
Example: Yankees go 1-0; Red Sox go 0-1; Mariners go 1-0; Blue Jays go 0-1
What happens next: With the Yankees grabbing the top spot (and AL Wild Card Game hosting duties) and the Blue Jays eliminated in this example, the Red Sox and Mariners would play a Monday tiebreaker to determine who heads to the Bronx on Tuesday. The Red Sox would host the tiebreaker game by virtue of their 4-3 record over the Mariners in the head-to-head season series.
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EverettMike
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I've had way too much fun explaining all of this to my wife.
Mr Cartmenez
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I want a 3-way tie between the Yanks, M‘s and Jays. We‘d get the winner of that mini-tournament. Don‘t know who would have the tie-breaker between these 3.
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