Red Wings Power Play Woes

[steafo]

In regards to the handness issue. I don't recall them ever running Green on the off-side (left) for the one timer. I'm not sure why we are avoiding that like the plague unless he is absolutely uncomfortable from that side. Where was he situated while in Washington specifically his huge year?

 

[Actual Thought*]

In regards to the handness issue. I don't recall them ever running Green on the off-side (left) for the one timer. I'm not sure why we are avoiding that like the plague unless he is absolutely uncomfortable from that side. Where was he situated while in Washington specifically his huge year?

I think Green has largely been wasted. Early in the year Kindl got more important ice time in some games while we squandered pts. Then Green was stuffed onto the 2nd unit of the PP. He has been played anywhere from the first pairing to the 3rd with what seems to be reckless indecision. Meanwhile Blashill's "active defence" system has resulted in the flattest offence in literally 40 years.

 

[Frk It]

I think Green has largely been wasted. Early in the year Kindl got more important ice time in some games while we squandered pts. Then Green was stuffed onto the 2nd unit of the PP. He has been played anywhere from the first pairing to the 3rd with what seems to be reckless indecision. Meanwhile Blashill's "active defence" system has resulted in the flattest offence in literally 40 years.

Definitely the first coach to move a player around in the lineup.

 

[Henkka]

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/20...-the-detroit-red-wings-powerplay-zone-entries

A great breakdown of this years pp and last years. We got rid of the 2nd forward on the drop pass. This coach this year has no idea what he's doing. Our zone entries are horrible.

Zone entries would be so easy to fix. Just let Larkin do it.

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Zone entries would be so easy to fix. Just let Larkin do it.

Yeah I don't understand why we have Richards trying to enter the zone. He's not bad at it, but you have Larkin on the damn ice

 

[Henkka]

Yeah I don't understand why we have Richards trying to enter the zone. He's not bad at it, but you have Larkin on the damn ice

Best zone entry came from Helm yesterday. Just that blazing speed is the best controlled zone entry. You keep the puck control.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Definitely the first coach to move a player around in the lineup.

Not at all but it seems strange to get a $6 mil power play specialist and put him everywhere but the first pp unit especially given that you know Kronwall is playing injured.

 

[Frk It]

Not at all but it seems strange to get a $6 mil power play specialist and put him everywhere but the first pp unit especially given that you know Kronwall is playing injured.

I'd like to see Green on the first PP unit. The two are 2:58 vs 2:34 so pretty similar ice time. Not sure if they are giving it to Kronwall because he has the A, and part of be leadership group, or what.

I'd like to see a RH shot on each unit at all times. Should always have Pulkkinen and Green on a separate unit.

 

[Actual Thought*]

I'd like to see Green on the first PP unit. The two are 2:58 vs 2:34 so pretty similar ice time. Not sure if they are giving it to Kronwall because he has the A, and part of be leadership group, or what.

I'd like to see a RH shot on each unit at all times. Should always have Pulkkinen and Green on a separate unit.

Most likely it is because a rookie coach doesn't have the clout to bench a guy like Kronwall who likely has more respect from the room than the coach. It is an example of one of the worries I had when replacing a guy like Babcock with a guy like Blashill.

 

[SoupNazi]

Most likely it is because a rookie coach doesn't have the clout to bench a guy like Kronwall who likely has more respect from the room than the coach. It is an example of one of the worries I had when replacing a guy like Babcock with a guy like Blashill.

You do realize the coach can bench whoever he wants, right?

There's no "clout" involved; he's the coach and makes the line changes. "Clout" has nothing to do with it. If Blashill wants to bench or scratch Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Kronwall, or Jesus Christ himself, he can do so.

 

[Actual Thought*]

You do realize the coach can bench whoever he wants, right?

There's no "clout" involved; he's the coach and makes the line changes. "Clout" has nothing to do with it. If Blashill wants to bench or scratch Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Kronwall, or Jesus Christ himself, he can do so.

Of course he has the authority to do it. However he needs the trust and support of the room. With no track record of NHL success to rely on it can be tough for a young inexperienced coach to make a move like benching Kronwall and still keep the room on his side.

 

[SoupNazi]

Of course he has the authority to do it. However he needs the trust and support of the room. With no track record of NHL success to rely on it can be tough for a young inexperienced coach to make a move like benching Kronwall and still keep the room on his side.

Do you have proof of this? Media sources? Examples of coaches who've benched a star and lost the room? Anything? Anything at all?

 

[Actual Thought*]

Do you have proof of this? Media sources? Examples of coaches who've benched a star and lost the room? Anything? Anything at all?

Common sense. Of course it is possible that Blashill chose to play an injured Kronwall over Green because he is just dumb. In any case it is a very questionable decision.

 

[Frk It]

Common sense. Of course it is possible that Blashill chose to play an injured Kronwall over Green because he is just dumb. In any case it is a very questionable decision.

Look at Kronwall's PP numbers the last 3 years, and you might understand a bit better.

 

[SoupNazi]

Common sense. Of course it is possible that Blashill chose to play an injured Kronwall over Green because he is just dumb. In any case it is a very questionable decision.

So what you're saying is you have absolutely ZERO proof.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Look at Kronwall's PP numbers the last 3 years, and you might understand a bit better.

Look at his numbers this year and it seems inexplicable.

So what you're saying is you have absolutely ZERO proof.

Correct. I don't have any PROOF that it is ever going to rain again either. Maybe you have a better explanation that you can support with PROOF?

 

[SoupNazi]

Correct. I don't have any PROOF that it is ever going to rain again either. Maybe you have a better explanation that you can support with PROOF?

I didn't make the claim. Generally, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

 

[Actual Thought*]

I didn't make the claim. Generally, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

Cool.

 

[Henkka]

I don't remember who mentioned it, but it was a very good point about Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Like how they probably won't work together on PP if they are separated at ES lines, because either one is almost always exhausted, when another ES line could have been on the ice.

When another one is exhausted, there's no movement. Already as a starting point, in our system, the point-man doesn't move, the net-front doesn't move, and either Zeta or Dats is exhausted if together but ES separated. We should add movement there and Larkin/Nyquist, Tatar/Pulkkinen should be those guys who create it.

Then one vet to run it (Dats or Zeta) and those net-front/point-man -axels. There's the basic structure to get most out from our current players. Larkin's speed and unpredictability should be put on 1st PP. That could really be the key factor to make it effective.

Okay, now we have proof Ferschweiler reads HF boards.

The power-play was changed against the Islanders, Zeta and Dats were split up again and they used same line combinations on PP than at ES...

...and scored instantly from their only PP.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Okay, now we have proof Ferschweiler reads HF boards.

The power-play was changed against the Islanders, Zeta and Dats were split up again and they used same line combinations on PP than at ES...

...and scored instantly from their only PP.

Maybe they should listen to me more often since it was me who mentioned it.

 

[Frk It]

Look at his numbers this year and it seems inexplicable.

Green's numbers are just as bad offensively this year.

 

[Henkka]

So this unit scored against Islanders:


___________Helm (Net-front)


Richards ___ Tatar ____ Datsyuk


___________Green

First there was a good point shot from Green (from Datsyuk pass) and Helm was making a screen on that. Then puck went behind the goal, Datsyuk stole it and passed on the right side of the goal and Richards one-timed it in.

 

[TheMule93]

So this unit scored against Islanders:


___________Helm (Net-front)


Richards ___ Tatar ____ Datsyuk


___________Green

First there was a good point shot from Green (from Datsyuk pass) and Helm was making a screen on that. Then puck went behind the goal, Datsyuk stole it and passed on the right side of the goal and Richards one-timed it in.

No. Helm tied up a guy behind the net. Some other islanders player came in and tapped it straight on to the stick of Broadway Brad who shot it in.

 

[Henkka]

No. Helm tied up a guy behind the net. Some other islanders player came in and tapped it straight on to the stick of Broadway Brad who shot it in.

Rewieved it. (had earlier a bad stream) Both Helm and Datsyuk were giving good pressure which lead to Kulemin mistake (clearing straight for Richards). Puck probably touched Datsyuk on the way.

 

[Actual Thought*]

Green's numbers are just as bad offensively this year.

Of course they are. He is playing on a team that doesn't score very much. A team where every player scores less than they have before. On top of that he has been hidden on the 2nd unit of an inept PP. This team has become the place where offence goes to die.