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1- DETROITS NOT GETTING NEAR THE CUP THIS SEASON 2- BERGGRENS STOCK OBVIOUSLY CAN GREATLY RISE FROM WHERE IT IS NOW = (caps by accident) foolish to trade bergy now . plus detroit isnt deep at forward in the first place
This whole post just gives off massive "I haven't watched the players in question" vibes. That or you're looking for far different things than what makes effective hockey players.The players like Hanas, will be just fine. These players have to develop. It’s very rare to see this many 22 and under players on an AHL roster, playing every night. There’s a few 20 year olds. Hanas is a far superior prospect in Detroit’s eyes.
Berggren is NOT Yzerman’s type of forward, who slashes, plays in traffic, and creates space. So it’s safe to say, he’s not going to be around for years. Kostin frankly, makes a bigger difference shift to shift right now. So they’d much rather Berggren play an important role in GR.
Just FYI as well… This up and down thing with Berggren can’t go on much longer. He only has about 5-6 NHL Games left, before he has to start clearing waivers. So we will likely see him come up for good, or they’ll start calling Soderblom or Mazur up instead of Berggren. At least this year. I think it’s a pretty good bet, Berggren isn’t Detroit property by the deadline though..
A little I guessThat’s a lot for a guy who hasn’t proven his actual NHl value yet
With all that said, it’s still just a lot of complaining and frustration surrounding Berggren, and impatience over prospects not being where YOU want to see them 21 and under…. You’re complaining over a 21 year old goalie with a .905 save percentage in the AHL? Why? He’s right on track. He’s a goalie. Nobody has any idea at this point, whether he was the better pick or not. I would’ve taken the Swede over him too, but nobody knows at this point. I wouldn’t have taken a goalie in the 1st Round. It’s a 4-5 year process before you can tell anything.With all due respect who gives a shit about pre season. Hanas being a regular in the lineup is far from a sure thing
Yes I been watching games and most of the kids are in bottom 6 roles. I'm hopeful someone like lombardi pans out as some steal draft pick but again not guaranteed. We didnt have a young player come out and explode and have a nice season as a rookie like kuluch did bourque last year had 47 pts and now is at the top of the scoring race.
We dont have those guys. Berggren is capable of putting up numbers and is young. Dealing him at this point with so many question marks on guys is nonsensical
It's all nice and dandy to back check and all that but again you need to score. Yay were scoring after 25 games big shit. Theres better odds we go back down than keep up this scoring pace. Berggren is way more talented offensively than a veleno,sprong etc... he needs to be on this team. I'm not saying he'll be a career redwing with all the prospects and draisaitl coming soon(ya that's right lol) but he should be playing here for a few years and at the least boost his trade value cause hes a 50+ guy in my book with an opportunity
Lol I know this isnt the nba I also know we had alot of promising prospects who Turned out to be busts and I'm not getting my Hope's up cause yzerman drafted them. He already f***ed up bigtime by listening to Osgood and taking cossa over wallstedt
People wont like to hear this but I'd much rather keep berggren over fabbri. Guys going to get hurt again sucks to say it but he will and I'd be trying to take advantage of his hot streak and insert berggren in. He wont last the season
What value does he have exactly? A 2nd if were lucky? much rather keep him. Ya let's use him in a package deal for another veteran we dont need. Let's please chris illitch
With all due respect who gives a shit about pre season. Hanas being a regular in the lineup is far from a sure thing
Yes I been watching games and most of the kids are in bottom 6 roles. I'm hopeful someone like lombardi pans out as some steal draft pick but again not guaranteed. We didnt have a young player come out and explode and have a nice season as a rookie like kuluch did bourque last year had 47 pts and now is at the top of the scoring race.
We dont have those guys. Berggren is capable of putting up numbers and is young. Dealing him at this point with so many question marks on guys is nonsensical
It's all nice and dandy to back check and all that but again you need to score. Yay were scoring after 25 games big shit. Theres better odds we go back down than keep up this scoring pace. Berggren is way more talented offensively than a veleno,sprong etc... he needs to be on this team. I'm not saying he'll be a career redwing with all the prospects and draisaitl coming soon(ya that's right lol) but he should be playing here for a few years and at the least boost his trade value cause hes a 50+ guy in my book with an opportunity
Lol I know this isnt the nba I also know we had alot of promising prospects who Turned out to be busts and I'm not getting my Hope's up cause yzerman drafted them. He already f***ed up bigtime by listening to Osgood and taking cossa over wallstedt
People wont like to hear this but I'd much rather keep berggren over fabbri. Guys going to get hurt again sucks to say it but he will and I'd be trying to take advantage of his hot streak and insert berggren in. He wont last the season
What value does he have exactly? A 2nd if were lucky? much rather keep him. Ya let's use him in a package deal for another veteran we dont need. Let's please chris illitch
What on earth are you even talking about? This isnt a video game where you SIM seasons in 5 minutes and an NHL player appears. It’s not the NFL or NBA either, where kids play right away.This whole post just gives off massive "I haven't watched the players in question" vibes. That or you're looking for far different things than what makes effective hockey players.
Mixed with a healthy dose of excusing the fact that coach doesn't know how, or probably more damning doesn't want, to best utilize a skilled player. Remember this is the guy who was trying to talk Cooper into running Kucherov out of Tampa...
Detroit is down it's two top Cs and still holding it's own against playoff teams. Detroit forward depth is really damn good right now.detroit isnt deep at forward in the first place
Im not talking about Hanas...What on earth are you even talking about? This isnt a video game where you SIM seasons in 5 minutes and an NHL player appears. It’s not the NFL or NBA either, where kids play right away.
You draft types of players with certain skill sets, and hope you’re good enough to help develop them into NHL players. Throwing in the towel when kids are 20-21 screams, of having absolutely no idea how things work.
Ya that's it just alot of complaining. Who says hes on track? You? We don't know if he'll ever be anything. What we do know is the guy everyone said was the best goalie from Sweden since Lundqvist has a 935% as a 21 year old. Shouldnt even be up for debate who would have been the better pickWith all that said, it’s still just a lot of complaining and frustration surrounding Berggren, and impatience over prospects not being where YOU want to see them 21 and under…. You’re complaining over a 21 year old goalie with a .905 save percentage in the AHL? Why? He’s right on track. He’s a goalie. Nobody has any idea at this point, whether he was the better pick or not. I would’ve taken the Swede over him too, but nobody knows at this point. I wouldn’t have taken a goalie in the 1st Round. It’s a 4-5 year process before you can tell anything.
A lot of your complaints are 2-3 years early. Four years ago, they didn’t have any prospects to develop. They now have more 200+ NHL prospects than anyone else. Let them develop.
As for Berggren, the reality still remains, who’s he taking a spot from??? Fabbri? Veleno? Rasmussen? Kane? Perron? Debrincat? Compher? Larkin? Sprong?
Every single one of those guys, is a better NHL player right now.
They simply don’t need what he’s currently offering. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad player and I’m saying trade him for the sake of trading him. But if he’s asking to be traded, that also changes things. Plus, because he isn’t designed to play a checking role as well, his opportunity is different than a Mazur, Hanas, or Soderblom. Even a Savage or Danielson.
The goal is to win NHL games. You need players like Fischer and Kostin on your 4th line. So it limits where Berggren fits. He has to be better than those top 9 players I mentioned. He’s just not right now.
There’s a lot of great things coming in Detroit. You have to have patience with prospects though. They have to be put in positions to succeed when their time in the NHL comes. They did the right thing by adding vets right now. Maybe they over did it on the backend, but that will all clean itself up, sooner than you may think.
Detroit fans were spoiled for a long time. They didn’t have to deal with waiting for players to develop. Nobody sat on pins and needles, waiting for Dastyuk, Zetterberg, etc. They just appeared on good teams. Holland left this team in a disaster state. Literally empty of talent. It’s come a long way in 4 years. It takes time though, and a lot of Detroit fans aren’t used to that.
I like the prospect of getting Berggren. However Monahan if healthy come march would get us a better haul.A little I guess
I was looking for younger more mobile player. But I doubt Berggren is offensive enough for what Hughes is looking for. We already Have that player in Roy.I like the prospect of getting Berggren. However Monahan if healthy come march would get us a better haul.
Agreed. He’ll blend in with the team. I know HUGO are putting an emphasis on size and skill. I’m looking forward to clearing the roster with the old to actually see what the kids can do!!I was looking for younger more mobile player. But I doubt Berggren is offensive enough for what Hughes is looking for. We already Have that player in Roy.
Matheson could be in the mix. Habs deep on left side.Berggren for Monahan is not what Detroit needs..
The team needs a top 3 dman with Berggren simply being part of the pckg to make it happen..
Matheson could be in the mix. Habs deep on left side.
Hronek?Berggren for Monahan is not what Detroit needs..
The team needs a top 3 dman with Berggren simply being part of the pckg to make it happen..
We have a Gostisbehere at home.Hronek?
Just noticed on Habs board Zegras could be guy we after. He sounds like more offensive player we need. But I don't know west conf. well. Or what Ducks would want?Agreed. He’ll blend in with the team. I know HUGO are putting an emphasis on size and skill. I’m looking forward to clearing the roster with the old to actually see what the kids can do!!
Just noticed on Habs board Zegras could be guy we after. He sounds like more offensive player we need. But I don't know west conf. well. Or what Ducks would want?
Price would be high on him. Hard to gamble like that.Cant see the ducks moving zegras
I'm expecting a big free agent signing soon(draisaitl) that's 4 .
Correct but who are you going to kick out of the top 6 to make room for him?Berggren should play in a top 6 role. That's where you get the most out of him. And to my knowledge he has never had a real chance to play in the top 6 in Detroit.
pretty sure he meant 20+....thought that could have been inferred as a grammatical error but whatever.200+ prospects? More than other teams developing? Lmaoo don't know how you came up with that math . I do know outside our first rounders I'm not getting
Just noticed on Habs board Zegras could be guy we after. He sounds like more offensive player we need. But I don't know west conf. well. Or what Ducks would want?
Apologies from sane Habs fans.Ducks aren't trading you Zegras. That's message board fantasy. Teams don't trade their young stars unless you're dealing back a better star.