Really cannot understand the Bylsma hate

[Al Smith]

Sid and Geno the girls?

I think the one on the right is the Day Automotive lady.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I wasn't even kidding about the Bylsma thing, I see his face and my mood changes visibly. I associate so many of the negative things about the Pens in the last 4yrs, mostly the playoffs, to his smug face and how he never reacts to anything, showing basically no emotion during emotional moments where even the players can't help it and the assistant coaches as well. Like is he even present during those moments, mentally?

Dan Bylsma would be a great assistant coach, the go between for the players and the coach, but as the coach, you can't be everyone's best friend and play favorites or hold certain people accountable and let others make similar mistakes but give them a free pass because of their status on the team or salary, or whatever the excuse he has that makes him feel as though him being that way, is the right thing.

And yes, his face pisses me off, there are days I wish an errant puck going at Al MacInnis slapper velocity, cracks him in the face.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Bylsma is the Fleury of coaching.

Very accurate description. Both have been very mediocre to very bad since thier '09 Cup win.

Again:
DB's home record for his Cup winning year in '09: 9-2
Since then: 10-12

His playoff away from home record has been pretty consistent in comparison to '09.

 

[cygnus47]

I wasn't even kidding about the Bylsma thing, I see his face and my mood changes visibly. I associate so many of the negative things about the Pens in the last 4yrs, mostly the playoffs, to his smug face and how he never reacts to anything, showing basically no emotion during emotional moments where even the players can't help it and the assistant coaches as well. Like is he even present during those moments, mentally?

Dan Bylsma would be a great assistant coach, the go between for the players and the coach, but as the coach, you can't be everyone's best friend and play favorites or hold certain people accountable and let others make similar mistakes but give them a free pass because of their status on the team or salary, or whatever the excuse he has that makes him feel as though him being that way, is the right thing.

And yes, his face pisses me off, there are days I wish an errant puck going at Al MacInnis slapper velocity, cracks him in the face.

I get conversely happy when I see Despres in the lineup so I know what you mean.

 

[nhindian]

Let's look at the theory that DB overplays his "teachers pets", Glass, Adams, and Engo.

Glass and Adams are last among every single Penguins player this year (including the AHL call ups) in even strength ice time per game at just under 10 ES minutes per game.
Their total ice time seems inflated because they have a significant role on the PK. Considering the PK is among the league's best, you can't really complain about that.

Engo is last among all Pens Dmen this year (including AHL call ups) in ES (12 min) and total ice time at just over 13 minutes per game. This is almost 2 full minutes less than the 2nd lowest guy, Samuelsson.

Considering all the injuries this season, these certainly do not look like inflated minutes carelessly given out to a teacher's pet.

Way to ruin a perfectly good narrative with these so-called "facts"

 

[Tender Rip]

His "teachers pets" is blown out of proportion. Gladams and Engo are the 3 lowest players in ES ice time.

Adams and Glass are your quintessential 4th liners, and when guys like Conner and other players get brought up to fill 3rd line roles, it is natural that they should get more ES time on account of their lines being out there more than the 4th.
Bylsma however uses Adams and Glass rather often to throw onto any line, whenever he is the least bit short, and the fact that they are sniffing the same ES time as Vitale, Megna, Conner, Gibbons and others who have taken regular shifts on higher lines says enough.
Of course, their ice time has been substantially higher than several of these guys when we have been short. When Adams and Glass play little it is because we are relatively healthy, and that is when these other guys are not in the lineup.

Same thing with Engo. When we were ravaged by injuries, he played more than most the youngsters (Despres and Bortuzzo in primis), but his ice time is dragged down by having also had numerous games as a forward and playing the 6th D-man role when the D was more or less healthy.

In short, you are reading ice time per game totals and not understanding the context behind these numbers.

 

[Shady Machine]

If you read all the comments you will see all the people that hate Bylsma also hate Orpik,Adams and Glass. So what if the coach has favorites, every coach has them, I remember how Mike Keenen always seemed to have Stéphane Matteau on all his teams.

I like what the coach is doing we have a 13 point lead on the Rangers. So what he may not play some of his younger players, the team is winning, if they were losing I could see a beef with it, but there not. All is well. we could be the flyers and be in that whole mess.

Solid analysis.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Solid analysis.

Yeah not bad for a player agent. Or a wife. Or a secret admirer.

 

[Rocket of Russia]

Yeah not bad for a player agent. Or a wife. Or a secret admirer.

son or daughter even? Glass, Adams, and Orpik? Not exactly the best crowd to dig your feet in for.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Adams and Glass are your quintessential 4th liners, and when guys like Conner and other players get brought up to fill 3rd line roles, it is natural that they should get more ES time on account of their lines being out there more than the 4th.
Bylsma however uses Adams and Glass rather often to throw onto any line, whenever he is the least bit short, and the fact that they are sniffing the same ES time as Vitale, Megna, Conner, Gibbons and others who have taken regular shifts on higher lines says enough.
Of course, their ice time has been substantially higher than several of these guys when we have been short. When Adams and Glass play little it is because we are relatively healthy, and that is when these other guys are not in the lineup.

Same thing with Engo. When we were ravaged by injuries, he played more than most the youngsters (Despres and Bortuzzo in primis), but his ice time is dragged down by having also had numerous games as a forward and playing the 6th D-man role when the D was more or less healthy.

In short, you are reading ice time per game totals and not understanding the context behind these numbers.

Here are the players who got more even strength ice time than Adams and Glass:

Pyatt
D'agostini
Ebbett
Gibbons
Harry Z
Kobasew
Megna

I don't know what you consider a teacher's pet, but if career AHLers who are injury call ups or waiver wire pickups are consistently getting more even strength ice time than Glass and Adams, despite half the regular forwards being injured, I don't consider that "teacher's pet" treatment.

I believe Glass and Adam's ice time may seem inflated due to them getting significant PK duties, especially Adams. Considering the success of the PK, I see nothing wrong with these 2 on the PK. It's a major part of the game.

IMO you could make a "teacher's pet" argument for Orpik. He's arguably having a bad year by his standards, yet he gets top 4 ice time and was selected for team USA by (presumably) his own coaches and GM.

 

[Shady Machine]

Here are the players who got more even strength ice time than Adams and Glass:

Pyatt
D'agostini
Ebbett
Gibbons
Harry Z
Kobasew
Megna

I don't know what you consider a teacher's pet, but if career AHLers who are injury call ups or waiver wire pickups are consistently getting more even strength ice time than Glass and Adams, despite half the regular forwards being injured, I don't consider that "teacher's pet" treatment.

I believe Glass and Adam's ice time may seem inflated due to them getting significant PK duties, especially Adams.

IMO you could make a "teacher's pet" argument for Orpik. He's arguably having a bad year by his standards, yet he gets top 4 ice time and was selected for team USA by (presumably) his own coaches and GM.

I'm not sure how many times you have to be told this, but you need some context for the ice time numbers you keep posting. Every one of those guys has seen playing time in the top 6 due to injuries. The teacher's pet syndrome is that they are guaranteed regular spots in the lineup over those players despite being worse at hockey.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

yeah, but guys I suppose we're to be grateful/thankful that Glass and Adams aren't top-six forward regulars. That PROVES Bylsma isn't biased.

Not like Bylsma puts guys who have no business in the top six there. Therefore, to conclude, Glass and Adams are not teacher's pets because they could be riding shotgun next to Crosby and Malkin.

 

[madinsomniac]

Adams and glass are both below .2 points per game. They cant pass, cant take a pass, and certainly have no shot at all. They do hit a lot, but are still mostly below average in overall physicality. they don't bring exceptional size to the table. They have no speed at all. they certainly aren't energy line players. they don't even cycle well.

They serve one function... to block shots in PK time. the problem is this team is stacked with PK players. When glass was out the PK was fine. we shouldn't be wasting two roster spots and any ice time on guys that are that one dimensional.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

I'm not sure how many times you have to be told this, but you need some context for the ice time numbers you keep posting. Every one of those guys has seen playing time in the top 6 due to injuries. The teacher's pet syndrome is that they are guaranteed regular spots in the lineup over those players despite being worse at hockey.

Everyone on this board always complains how bad the bottom 6 is. There's clearly not much competition for the bottom lines. The only AHLer who could realistically challenge for a bottom 6 spot (if everyone is healthy) is Sill and Megna. Even so, Sill isn't much of an upgrade over either (if any), and Megna seems to have earned a longer look in a top 9 role. Regardless, they are not on a 1 way contract so they're already at a disadvantage over Glass and Adams.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Everyone on this board always complains how bad the bottom 6 is. There's clearly not much competition for the bottom lines. The only AHLer who could realistically challenge for a bottom 6 spot (if everyone is healthy) is Sill and Megna. Even so, Sill isn't much of an upgrade over either (if any), and Megna seems to have earned a longer look in a top 9 role. Regardless, they are not on a 1 way contract so they're already at a disadvantage over Glass and Adams.

Congratulations, you answered your own question. There's not much competition because Glass and Adams have one-way contracts (not to mention the complete approval of the man with the lineup decisions).

Pretty hard to compete with that!

 

[Shady Machine]

Congratulations, you answered your own question. There's not much competition because Glass and Adams have one-way contracts (not to mention the complete approval of the man with the lineup decisions).

Pretty hard to compete with that!

well said.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Congratulations, you answered your own question. There's not much competition because Glass and Adams have one-way contracts (not to mention the complete approval of the man with the lineup decisions).

Pretty hard to compete with that!

So you're saying it's Glass and Adam's fault there aren't many good bottom 6 players on this team? I really fail to see how it is Glass or Adams fault there no good 3rd line on this team. Or how it's their fault that Cooke left or Staal and TK were traded away.

Adams had the same exact role when the Cooke Staal TK was kicking ass. Adams has the same exact role when the 3rd line is utter garbage. Only time Glass' role changed was when he was bumped up to 3rd line a few times due to injuries.

All things considered, Glass and Adams are far and away the least of this team's problems.

 

[mpp9]

What kind of argument is "how is it Glass/Adams' fault"?

If you're an ineffective player, it's not your fault you're not very good. It's up to the coach to limit your ice time. Not put you out there at the end of games. And in reality, not have both of you in the lineup.

Last season when we made all the additions, Glass was taken out of the lineup b/c of how terrible he was. I'm just hoping that happens again.

Megna, Gibbons and Sill can make things happen at ES. Glass and Adams can't. If DB wants Adams in, fine. But not both.

 

[Rocket of Russia]

Adams had the same exact role when the Cooke Staal TK was kicking ass. Adams has the same exact role when the 3rd line is utter garbage. Only time Glass' role changed was when he was bumped up to 3rd line a few times due to injuries.

Adams was getting regular shifts on Crosby's wing and being put out with a minute left in tie games as a defensive specialist?

All things considered, Glass and Adams are far and away the least of this team's problems.

They're the driving (lagging would be more appropriate) force behind one of the least productive 4th lines in the league. How exactly are you defending them outside of saying they don't play as much time as everyone seems to think they do?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Here are the players who got more even strength ice time than Adams and Glass:

Pyatt
D'agostini
Ebbett
Gibbons
Harry Z
Kobasew
Megna

I don't know what you consider a teacher's pet, but if career AHLers who are injury call ups or waiver wire pickups are consistently getting more even strength ice time than Glass and Adams, despite half the regular forwards being injured, I don't consider that "teacher's pet" treatment.

I believe Glass and Adam's ice time may seem inflated due to them getting significant PK duties, especially Adams. Considering the success of the PK, I see nothing wrong with these 2 on the PK. It's a major part of the game.

IMO you could make a "teacher's pet" argument for Orpik. He's arguably having a bad year by his standards, yet he gets top 4 ice time and was selected for team USA by (presumably) his own coaches and GM.

You keep glossing over the fact folks are bringing up not just the ice time, but WHEN that ice time occurs, with regards to Adams and Glass. They're often used as a shutdown duo, whether it be to match up against the other team's top player on occasion, or on the ice in the final minute with the Pens leading.

Also, PK minutes or not, Adams should never be anywhere close to 12:50 in ice time per game. Never. Even with his PK minutes, he should still be around 8 to 10 minutes per game. Compare him to Boston's 4th line of Campbell, Paille, and Thornton. They're better players than him, yet Campbell (11:51), Paille (10:47) and Thornton (8:00) don't even approach his ice time. For the record, Campbell also leads the Bruins in shorthanded time on ice as well. So Adams' PK minutes hardly can be used as an excuse.

Adams is actually closer to 3rd line minutes than he is 4th line minutes. That's just nuts.