Re-Alignment with Seattle
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Read. The Words. I Say.
Stop responding to concepts I literally never came close to saying.
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You've yet to interpret my original statement to you in a coherent way yet, even when I corrected you. ffs, this is just sad at this point.
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Balancing travel equally between conferences would have something like this... similar to MLB, NFL, and NBA.
Conference One: Northeast, Atlantic, Central, Northwest
Conference Two: Metropolitan, Southeast, Southwest, Pacific.
Atlantic and Metro also can switch conferences.
AWall THE CLAW
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Expansion team to Seattle, WA
Florida relocates to Quebec City, QUE (Nordiques)
Arizona relocates to Hamilton, ON
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Atlantic: NJD, NYI, NYR, PHI
Southeast: CAR, PIT, TBL, WSH
NORTHERN CONFERENCE
Northeast: BOS, MTL, OTT, QUE
Great Lakes: BUF, CBJ, HAM, TOR
CENTRAL CONFERENCE
Midwest: CHI, DET, MIN, WPG
Southwest: COL, DAL, NSH, STL
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Pacific: ANA, LAK, SJS, VGK
Northwest: CGY, EDM, SEA, VAN
Regular season: 3 home, 3 away with division opponents. 2 home, 2 away with conference opponents. Home and away with all other teams = 82 games.
Each conference sends to playoffs 2 division winners and 2 wild cards. Top record in conference plays WC2. Other division winner plays WC1. Winners meet in Conference Final. Conference winners rank 1-4 based on regular season record. 1-4, 2-3 play in Cup Semifinals. Winners play in Cup Final.
Advantages -
1. Current alignment with future expansion means the most you typically play a rival in regular season is 4 games. Sometimes 5, but with unbalanced home-away schedule. Proposal puts many strongest rivalries together for 6 regular season games. Vast majority of current division rivalries are retained within conferences at worst, meaning 4 games and no loss in the amount of regular season matchups)
2. Balances all home-and-aways. No 3 or 5 game schedules against anybody.
3. Detroit is reunited with Chicago through division. Reunited with Colorado, Nashville, Dallas, and St. Louis through conference. These were always huge draws.
4. First two rounds of playoffs still never cross more than 1 time zone. Only exception would be DET/COL, which would be a classic rivalry matchup and no one would be complaining about it starting @ 8 in DET and @ 6 in Denver.
5. More potential Stanley Cup Final matchups. NYR vs BOS, DET vs. TOR, PHI vs. MTL, CGY vs. WPG, CHI vs. LAK...etc.
6. No need for current "crossover" rules used in the divisional playoffs. Conference rivalries emphasized to a greater extent.
Florida relocates to Quebec City, QUE (Nordiques)
Arizona relocates to Hamilton, ON
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Atlantic: NJD, NYI, NYR, PHI
Southeast: CAR, PIT, TBL, WSH
NORTHERN CONFERENCE
Northeast: BOS, MTL, OTT, QUE
Great Lakes: BUF, CBJ, HAM, TOR
CENTRAL CONFERENCE
Midwest: CHI, DET, MIN, WPG
Southwest: COL, DAL, NSH, STL
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Pacific: ANA, LAK, SJS, VGK
Northwest: CGY, EDM, SEA, VAN
Regular season: 3 home, 3 away with division opponents. 2 home, 2 away with conference opponents. Home and away with all other teams = 82 games.
Each conference sends to playoffs 2 division winners and 2 wild cards. Top record in conference plays WC2. Other division winner plays WC1. Winners meet in Conference Final. Conference winners rank 1-4 based on regular season record. 1-4, 2-3 play in Cup Semifinals. Winners play in Cup Final.
Advantages -
1. Current alignment with future expansion means the most you typically play a rival in regular season is 4 games. Sometimes 5, but with unbalanced home-away schedule. Proposal puts many strongest rivalries together for 6 regular season games. Vast majority of current division rivalries are retained within conferences at worst, meaning 4 games and no loss in the amount of regular season matchups)
2. Balances all home-and-aways. No 3 or 5 game schedules against anybody.
3. Detroit is reunited with Chicago through division. Reunited with Colorado, Nashville, Dallas, and St. Louis through conference. These were always huge draws.
4. First two rounds of playoffs still never cross more than 1 time zone. Only exception would be DET/COL, which would be a classic rivalry matchup and no one would be complaining about it starting @ 8 in DET and @ 6 in Denver.
5. More potential Stanley Cup Final matchups. NYR vs BOS, DET vs. TOR, PHI vs. MTL, CGY vs. WPG, CHI vs. LAK...etc.
6. No need for current "crossover" rules used in the divisional playoffs. Conference rivalries emphasized to a greater extent.
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Let he or she who would take a team away from fans first offer up his or her own. No exceptions or excuses, ever.
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The realignment may end up having as much to do with internal politics of the BoG as it does with any of the attempted logic seen in a thread like. Remember that it takes a 3/4 majority to approve realignment.
Interesting. Regular season games balances out. But I highly doubt that the western conference teams have much desire to play games in rounds 1-2 up to 2 time zones away.
My gut says that when Seattle arrives they play divisional playoffs in rounds 1&2 to limit travel.
East is pretty simple as there is 1 time zone. Vancouver in 2011 played Chicago and Nashville in rounds 1&2. I suspect that they drop the WC and go 1 vs 4. Tough luck to the #5/6 place teams if their division is stronger.
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Deegee
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Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary should be in the second division. The rivaly between the three teams is developed. Moving Calgary and Edmonton to the Central is a terrible idea.
AWall THE CLAW
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All 8 Western Conference teams in my alignment are in the Pacific/Mountain zones. It's a 4 conference setup. There is no East/West anymore.
You could just switch up A2 and M1. So Eastern conference would consist of:
A1: TOR, BOS, MTL, OTT
A2: NJD, NYR, NYI, BUF
M1: TBL, FLA, WSH, CAR
M2: DET, CBJ, PIT, PHI
I think that would please a lot of teams and could be the most optimal situation. But yea, that's the best proposal I've seen. Playoff format could be 2 best teams from both eight team groups and the rest 4 teams being wild card teams.
Seattle joins the Pacific and has instant rivalry with Vancouver. Colorado rejoins Pacific. Edmonton and Calgary move to the Central.
Arizona stays in Pacific since it has the same time as the Pacific time zone for the beginning and end of the hockey season. If Arizona ever emerged from the basement, it would have a big rivalry with Las Vegas and the California teams.
The big issue with the Central division are the geographic and population gaps. Thus the periodic rumors of Kansas City and Houston to create rivalries with neighboring franchises.
Ditto with the Southeast. Houston is held up as an untapped large corporate market. Its doppelganger is..... Atlanta. Unfortunately both Atlanta reams were run into the ground by crooked owners. For all the talk about non traditional markets and a population that won't pick it up, what explains the success of their soccer team?
Arizona stays in Pacific since it has the same time as the Pacific time zone for the beginning and end of the hockey season. If Arizona ever emerged from the basement, it would have a big rivalry with Las Vegas and the California teams.
The big issue with the Central division are the geographic and population gaps. Thus the periodic rumors of Kansas City and Houston to create rivalries with neighboring franchises.
Ditto with the Southeast. Houston is held up as an untapped large corporate market. Its doppelganger is..... Atlanta. Unfortunately both Atlanta reams were run into the ground by crooked owners. For all the talk about non traditional markets and a population that won't pick it up, what explains the success of their soccer team?
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CantHaveTkachev
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Colorado, Edmonton and Calgary are all in the mountain time zone, they should be together
DowntownBooster
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The alignment based on your map makes the most sense. Leaving Edmonton and Calgary in the Pacific is a good idea. I can't see them wanting to increase their travel by moving them to the Central. However, placing Tampa Bay and Florida in a division with Carolina, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Washington seems appropriate based on geography rather than being in a division with Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto. The most likely scenario by the NHL will be just to move Arizona to the Central once Seattle joins the league.
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You would probably want to switch Boston with Buffalo since Boston is closer to all those cities than Buffalo is
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Until the pain of multiple time zones and longer travel is more equitably distributed, the “eastern” conference teams will continue to have an unfair seasonal advantage ranging from travel time, travel miles, time zone differential, sleep opportunity, to practice opportunity, and more. Almost every grouping of teams listed in this thread perpetuates this inequality.
Obviously, there is no reason for Eastern teams to change the status quo, and no way NHL leadership will try to force a change and alienate half the owners. I doubt a fair distribution of teams within two conferences, each of which would span the continental width as seen in the other major NA sports, will ever occur.
Obviously, there is no reason for Eastern teams to change the status quo, and no way NHL leadership will try to force a change and alienate half the owners. I doubt a fair distribution of teams within two conferences, each of which would span the continental width as seen in the other major NA sports, will ever occur.
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When you do take into account the internal politics within the BoG, one would have to believe that moving Arizona to the Central Division is the least bad option for the league.
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Won't work. Detroit doesn't really care about historic rivalries. They care that most of their away games start at 7pm their time rather than 8-10pm. That has a major impact on TV viewership and is the main reason (along with travel times) that Detroit was so adamant about joining the East. Same goes for Columbus. When Detroit and Columbus were relocated to the Eastern Conference, the league promised that neither would be moved back to a Western division without consent.
HisIceness
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Arthur Blank owns them. One of the better owners in sports.
By the way I agree with your statement about the Coyotes building rivalries with Vegas and the California teams if they can pull themselves together and put a contender on the ice. I mentioned the same thing last year in the first Coyotes/Knights game.
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90% chance Arizona gets pushed to the Central
7% chance Arizona relocates to Houston and moves to the Central
2% chance Calgary's stadium deal falls through and they're the team that relocates to Houston (and the Central) instead
1% chance of something else
7% chance Arizona relocates to Houston and moves to the Central
2% chance Calgary's stadium deal falls through and they're the team that relocates to Houston (and the Central) instead
1% chance of something else
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