RD Mitchell Miller - HK 32 Liptovsky Mikulas, Slovakia (2020, 111th, ARI rights renounced; signed by BOS, released) - Part 2

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Now we got a kid on the street whose had his negative beliefs reaffirmed by the outrage who will end up making millions.

That... doesn't sound like a kid on the street to me. It sounds like, given his record, an extraordinarily privileged person.

 

[DropTheGloves]

That... doesn't sound like a kid on the street to me. It sounds like, given his record, an extraordinarily privileged person.

I like how “still being enrolled at and welcome on the campus of a well-respected university” is now akin to “being on the street”. Of course, I’m assuming that’s a serious and level-headed comparison coming from a genuine place and not, say, a bad faith argument.

 

[BB06]

KHL just be trolling at this point. Hiring all the NHL rejects

 

[xigon]

It's funny how Miller's defenders are living so vicariously through him. You never wanted Miller to redeem himself. You want him to be the same as he always has been, so if he ever succeeds at something while still being a bitch, you think it will actually affect the people you think are trying to "cancel" him. I guess that's a "moral victory" for you if that ever happens. If that's the kind of thing you need in your life, then there isn't really anything to say.

If he ends up being a KHL star, we don't give a shit. He'll never have it better than what he could have had if he actually tried to become a person. Maybe he still will. We want him to be that, but I have a feeling that's not what your actual agenda is.

 

[DropTheGloves]

KHL just be trolling at this point. Hiring all the NHL rejects

Contrary to how I’ve been perceived in past threads, I do genuinely want to see Miller use these next couple of years effectively in his pursuit of personal betterment.

IF that is also his goal, I cannot see how moving to a foreign country, giving up a college education, and playing in a junior league that’s probably below the USHL is at all a sensible path.

At absolute WORST, even if he devotes 100% of the next four years to non-athletic pursuits, he still winds up with a degree from UND. That’s a much better starting point in life than most ever get- never mind someone who apparently has lost everything to an Internet lynch mob. However, he can probably pretty easily balance school with a spot on a USHL team, which keeps both his pro and college hockey dream alive.

Neither opportunity is as readily available overseas. You’re asking a teenager to leave everyone and everything he knows behind for a shot at maybe one day playing in the KHL. I’m not trying to demean the Russian development system, but it seems like a path that would be difficult for any North American kid, never mind one who should also be devoting at least some of his downtime to overcoming his burning personal issues.

Ultimately, it’s up to him, but I just can’t see the KHL route bearing any fruit- if that’s even a serious option in the first place.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

I don't know.
First of all, what Miller did to the other kid was absolutely despicable. But this, being renounced by Arizona after being drafted, renounced by his college team and being denounced by media all over the world is cruel. Is it deserved, I don't know, possibly. But it is cruel.
I can't help but wonder if there was a better way to handle this? I mean, does this help the victim in any way? Was anyone's life made better? Seems to me like it's just an eye for an eye mentality. I wonder what Arizona and the NHL could have done to handle this differently. And does anyone really believe it will make Miller a better person? Not getting drafted could have been a wake-up call. At this point, I think we're far beyond that.
He is 18 years old. He's an adult, true. But people still change so much between 18 and 28, or even between 18 and 23. Is it justice that he will not play NHL hockey for what he did, maybe. But we're beyond that now.
The level of bullying was absolutely disgusting. I never expected to feel even the tiniest bit sorry for Miller. I don't like that I do now.

 

[PAZ]

I don't know.
First of all, what Miller did to the other kid was absolutely despicable. But this, being renounced by Arizona after being drafted, renounced by his college team and being denounced by media all over the world is cruel. Is it deserved, I don't know, possibly. But it is cruel.
I can't help but wonder if there was a better way to handle this? I mean, does this help the victim in any way? Was anyone's life made better? Seems to me like it's just an eye for an eye mentality. I wonder what Arizona and the NHL could have done to handle this differently. And does anyone really believe it will make Miller a better person? Not getting drafted could have been a wake-up call. At this point, I think we're far beyond that.
He is 18 years old. He's an adult, true. But people still change so much between 18 and 28, or even between 18 and 23. Is it justice that he will not play NHL hockey for what he did, maybe. But we're beyond that now.
The level of bullying was absolutely disgusting. I never expected to feel even the tiniest bit sorry for Miller. I don't like that I do now.

Part of it is setting precedent.

This is a warning to other youths and their parents that if you are interested in taking professional hockey seriously, you can't be doing shit like this. It's the long-shots that are made an example of, just like Leipsic's leaks earlier. The negative media you garner from employing these type of players doesn't outweigh the benefit. Also, Miller can always play in the KHL if he really wants to pursue a professional hockey career.

This isn't a lifelong sentence, playing in the NHL isn't his one and only career choice.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

Part of it is setting precedent.

This is a warning to other youths and their parents that if you are interested in taking professional hockey seriously, you can't be doing shit like this. It's the long-shots that are made an example of, just like Leipsic's leaks earlier. The negative media you garner from employing these type of players doesn't outweigh the benefit. Also, Miller can always play in the KHL if he really wants to pursue a professional hockey career.

This isn't a lifelong sentence, playing in the NHL isn't his one and only career choice.

Oh I do get that there's a "make an example out of him" part. Maybe that's part of the problem.
He's 18 years old. He's good but not that good, 4th round pick. He can't really fight back - no famous parents, no connections. He's expendable and a convenient outrage outlet.
Perhaps part of the problem is that while Miller is (somewhat rightfully) facing the public scorn, the hockey world seems to be getting off completely scott-free. Quoting The Hockey News:
"[Rights renounce/losing college team spot] is a high price to pay for something he did four years ago. Is it too high? Well, when you don’t really show a lot of remorse for your actions, maybe not. And perhaps the reason Mitch Miller did not show remorse was that people in hockey kept making excuses for him and allowing him the privilege of playing for them because he was talented enough to make their teams better. They all knew – or should have known what Miller did – yet chose to have him on their teams. And we’re talking about top-level organizations such as Detroit Honeybaked, the USHL and the Sarnia Sting, who drafted him in 2017. USA Hockey has had Mitch Miller on three national teams over the past couple of years."

So we "set a precedent" with an 18 year old, leaving him hung out to dry to a media shitstorm. And yes, his actions a few years back are absolutely, 100% indefensible. His lack of effort to make amends makes it worse. But it's still cold.
I also doubt that this will only affect his hockey career - with the amount of media attention this got, what's the chance future employers (friends, lovers...) don't find out? He also most likely loses his scholarship at the uni - not for this year but for the upcoming years. Which is understandable, given he received it for being an athlete - but at the same time, now it's affecting his education. So it is not just his NHL career if you ask me.
I can't even say for sure it's not deserved. But it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[PAZ]

Oh I do get that there's a "make an example out of him" part. Maybe that's part of the problem.
He's 18 years old. He's good but not that good, 4th round pick. He can't really fight back - no famous parents, no connections. He's expendable and a convenient outrage outlet.
Perhaps part of the problem is that while Miller is (somewhat rightfully) facing the public scorn, the hockey world seems to be getting off completely scott-free. Quoting The Hockey News:
"[Rights renounce/losing college team spot] is a high price to pay for something he did four years ago. Is it too high? Well, when you don’t really show a lot of remorse for your actions, maybe not. And perhaps the reason Mitch Miller did not show remorse was that people in hockey kept making excuses for him and allowing him the privilege of playing for them because he was talented enough to make their teams better. They all knew – or should have known what Miller did – yet chose to have him on their teams. And we’re talking about top-level organizations such as Detroit Honeybaked, the USHL and the Sarnia Sting, who drafted him in 2017. USA Hockey has had Mitch Miller on three national teams over the past couple of years."

So we "set a precedent" with an 18 year old, leaving him hung out to dry to a media shitstorm. And yes, his actions a few years back are absolutely, 100% indefensible. His lack of effort to make amends makes it worse. But it's still cold.
I also doubt that this will only affect his hockey career - with the amount of media attention this got, what's the chance future employers (friends, lovers...) don't find out? He also most likely loses his scholarship at the uni - not for this year but for the upcoming years. Which is understandable, given he received it for being an athlete - but at the same time, now it's affecting his education. So it is not just his NHL career if you ask me.
I can't even say for sure it's not deserved. But it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

His friends know him and will defend him, no issue there. In terms of relationships, this probably is something he should be mentioning at some point regardless of whether he was a professional hockey player or not. In addition, all these news articles were already there if you did a google search. Finally, when he's ready to start a professional career (at least 4 years down the road) this will be a thing of the past. Not to mention his name is only well-known in the hockey world. Ask everyone you know that isn't a hardcore hockey fans, I bet none of them have any idea who Mitchell Miller is.

He played hockey. Just that fact alone means the family is well off that they can afford to put him through college so it won't be affecting his education. Worst case he gets a student loan just like half of his peers. Again, this really only effects his NHL career. Leipsic went from being a fringe NHLer to being forced to go overseas, but he had zero issue continuing his hockey career in the KHL.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

His friends know him and will defend him, no issue there. In terms of relationships, this probably is something he should be mentioning at some point regardless of whether he was a professional hockey player or not. In addition, all these news articles were already there if you did a google search. Finally, when he's ready to start a professional career (at least 4 years down the road) this will be a thing of the past. Not to mention his name is only well-known in the hockey world. Ask everyone you know that isn't a hardcore hockey fans, I bet none of them have any idea who Mitchell Miller is.

He played hockey. Just that fact alone means the family is well off that they can afford to put him through college so it won't be affecting his education. Worst case he gets a student loan just like half of his peers. Again, this really only effects his NHL career. Leipsic went from being a fringe NHLer to being forced to go overseas, but he had zero issue continuing his hockey career in the KHL.

Did all his friends know, did his peers in college know? Because they sure do now after he was drafted and un-drafted.
I think you're underestimating the fallout of this.

Agree to disagree, this whole mess is giving me flashbacks to my 'teens and my own bullies and I really don't need that now.

 

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Isaiah is clearly special needs, and by how the group treats him that they don't take any of his words seriously (as well as took a video), this occured fairly often. I'm not going to speculate whether they find this entertaining and coerced him or if Isaiah decided to come up to the table, but Isaiah is the outcast by the way they treat him. One small glimpse of their interactions doesn't excuse Miller, especially since there is concrete evidence proven in court against him.

I'd recommend reading the last page of the investigator's report.

 

[Albatros]

I'd recommend reading the last page of the investigator's report.

That is a reference to a completely unrelated video, spread by Miller's family of Isaiah communicating awkwardly with other pupils in school. Apparently circulated with the intention to use his disability against him.

 

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That is a reference to a completely unrelated video, spread by Miller's family of Isaiah communicating awkwardly with other pupils in school. Apparently circulated with the intention to use his disability against him.

Yes, the report of the incident highlights this behavior - entrapping Isiah and asking him to do things to fit in - was common behavior for his abusers.

 

[Hanji]

I'd recommend reading the last page of the investigator's report.

My lord that was painful to read. Not only did Miller and his parents attempt to weasel their way out of it, here we are 4 years later and the sister is trying to ruin the victim's credibility.
Words fail me.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

I'd recommend reading the last page of the investigator's report.

Taking back what I said about feeling sorry for Miller. Just... no.
Let's hope he can still become a better person but not holding my breath.

 

[Techcoockie]

No idea why this is even relevant to anything really and it makes me wonder as a Canadian what exactly the American dream is anyways other than an ideal for some at best and really a myth for others.

I also don't think that the extra attention he is receiving right now is very helpfull in any sort of rehabilitation (in terms of exercise or remorse) for the teenager.

The American dream is making money without paying taxes, that's about it. if you pay taxes it's socialism.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Definitely doesn't paint a great picture for Isaiah and nice to see a little glimpse, but there are a few things I took away from the video:

Isaiah is clearly special needs, and by how the group treats him that they don't take any of his words seriously (as well as took a video), this occured fairly often. I'm not going to speculate whether they find this entertaining and coerced him or if Isaiah decided to come up to the table, but Isaiah is the outcast by the way they treat him. One small glimpse of their interactions doesn't excuse Miller, especially since there is concrete evidence proven in court against him.

I went to school with a kid in junior high that had special needs. Obviously not sure if he or Isiah were under similar situations but this kid was one of the nicest kids in school. But for whatever reason he would be triggered by the word potato. Like into a blind rage. So what do kids in junior high do? Run up to him and randomly say potato knowing he will lose his shit and then just stand back and watch. I have no idea if Isiah is similar or not but just posting a video of him enraged with no context means absolutely nothing to me. Like you said the fact they recorded this tells me they most likely enjoyed getting him going and probably found out the easy way of doing it. Frankly everything I have seen makes the entire Miller family look like scumbags.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

The continued approach from Miller and his family makes me think they truly believe he’s the victim in all this.

 

[Just Linda]

The continued approach from Miller and his family makes me think they truly believe he’s the victim in all this.

I think they do too. I honestly think that whole family lacks understanding of developmental disabilities and don't understand how FASD made the young man vulnerable, they see his aggressiveness as proof that the young man is bullying others too and are completely unable to read power dynamics of the relationships.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

It's funny how Miller's defenders are living so vicariously through him. You never wanted Miller to redeem himself. You want him to be the same as he always has been, so if he ever succeeds at something while still being a bitch, you think it will actually affect the people you think are trying to "cancel" him. I guess that's a "moral victory" for you if that ever happens. If that's the kind of thing you need in your life, then there isn't really anything to say.

If he ends up being a KHL star, we don't give a shit. He'll never have it better than what he could have had if he actually tried to become a person. Maybe he still will. We want him to be that, but I have a feeling that's not what your actual agenda is.

I truly hate the fact that I hate PC(cancel culture) more than a POS like Miller.
The sanctimonious hypocritical overly woke are a true blight to everything. They are making comedy a shadow of its former self for fear of being cancelled, every famous person probably lives in fear worrying if they are next for some dumb shit they did 1-4-25 yrs ago.
I think that when 1 of these overly woke goes on 1 of their cancel fests that all of their life should be also put out in the public eye so we all can judge them.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'd recommend reading the last page of the investigator's report.

I've been front and center in saying I support the Coyotes decision and he should never have been drafted, but Jesus we're now making decisions on whether someone's parents are racist? 50% of the players wouldn't be drafted then.

 

[serp]

How is still still going ? I was hoping we'd be done by now .

Also absolutely not in the slightest suprised about his parents. Kids don't become like that unless they learn it from somewhere. It's not allways the parents but it's allways someone who taught the kids to be this cruel.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

The continued approach from Miller and his family makes me think they truly believe he’s the victim in all this.

Right now they absolutely do. From what I can gather they think at best he stepped over the line and fully paid his debt for it. They seem furious its even been brought up, hence the victim blaming.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

All I'll say is there are a lot of culprits and victims in this story.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

That police statement is damning, what a horrible person and a horrible family.