How is it a bad comparision? Both see the ice well, great at strech passes, both join the rush almost every single time, agile and smooth skaters, same size, handedness, and both looking like raw talent that have 60 point potential in the NH with the tools they have. Both of them are good with the stick in the own end, but as they gain muscle d-game should also develop nicely. Could you please now tell me other factors than shot that make them different kind of players? This should be pretty fun..
RD Anttoni Honka - JYP Jyväskylä, Liiga (2019, 83rd, CAR)
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They are only a month and a half apart in age, despite being in different drafts. That doesn't make for a good comparison. Boqvist is two inches taller. His shooting is also a much bigger part of his game than it is for Honka. From what I've seen, Honka is kind of all over the place defensively, Boqvist plays a reliable defensive game. Boqvist has mostly made his name in junior international games and Swedish Junior games, Honka has mostly made his name in Liiga.
What is so similar about them?
What is so similar about them?
Reliable defensive game? Did you see him in the SHL? Jeeeeezzzz... Both of their D-game needs work. Why bring up how they got their name up there? It has nothing to do with the comparision about how they play the same minus the shooting. Honka also uses his shot a lot as does Boqvist. Btw they have only one inch difference according to the Finnish national team and the combine. I think I named a lot more similarities between them than you did differences!
Looking at eliteprospect heights doesnt always tell you the truth 
Everyone was saying how Kupari was small at 183cm/78kg as it said at elite. Then at the combine it turns out he was 187/86. No size complaints since. 
Everyone was saying how Kupari was small at 183cm/78kg as it said at elite. Then at the combine it turns out he was 187/86. No size complaints since. 
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Watching a JYP preseason game.... Honka is able to bring the puck from his own zone to offensive zone just with his skating in almost every single shift. Also very smart passing. His weaknesses are in his own zone but i think the offensive instincts he has are elite. He'll rise his stock a lot this coming season, I think.
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I feel it's a problem for these type of D.
Very good with skating, puck handling, vision, passing, hockey IQ and QB PP but in their own zone their not very good.
So when you draft them, you do because you project them as a future Gostisbehere. Excellent in offense but bad in d-zone.
Problem is, not every coach is fond of taking the time to put a liability on defense game after game in the NHL.
So they play more in the AHL. Takes more time.
Since it's Honka, I have his brother in my mind. Julius hasn't been able to break so far in the NHL.
That's my concern with smaller D with excellent offensive tools in general and my concern with Honka jr.
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Isent that partly due to the team he plays for? Heard that the coach is notorious for not giving chances to prospect defensemen and every inch myst be earned, that and they already have a solid d-group so kinda hard for a offensive minded d-man to just junp in there...
He only had Hitch for a year. He gets Montgomery this year, and before Hitch he had Lindsey Ruff.
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I think he is good enough. Just take more time because of how he plays defense.
They can pair him with a Marc Methot and use him on the 2nd PP.
I haven't seen enough of him in recent years to make that call. He's out of AHL eligibility (aka can't be sent down without clearing waivers), so now he's gotta show what he's got or his next chance will be with another organization.
My opinion is that he quite clearly has at best mediocre hockey IQ and is not as quick and good passer as a player with his size should really be in the NHL. The more I have seen him play, the less I have honestly liked him as a player. I’m not really at all a fan of great skaters without good hockey IQ, so I might be even a tad harsh on him.
But I honestly think that people expecting him to have a really great NHL career are quite likely going to be disappointed. To me he looks most likely like a 3rd pair defenceman and I will be very surprised if he after all becomes a clear 2nd pair defender. I guess it’s possible if he truly manages still to develop his play. But I see absolutely no chance anyway for him ever being a 1st pair defenceman, or if he will be, then his team must be a really weak team.
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In my far too early draft rankings, I've got Honka top 5. He's easily the best D in the draft. It's ridiculous how elite he is.
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That's a very valid concern but I'm pretty optimistic about his game in his own end. He's still only 17 and already played 20 games in Liiga in which he wasn't a defensive liability at all. He positions himself really well and defends with his stick very effectively.
Physically he is still raw but he sees the game too well in both ends to not become a top-4 dman in the show. Just my opinion of course.
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This misconception about Ghost needs to be put to be bed after his 17-18 season. He was very good defensively and was voted the Flyers best defensemen. I understand why he got that reputation after his 16-17 season but he was leaps and bounds better in 17-18.
Pelicans-JYP is shown by Telia tonight if somebody wants to check out his play. Playing on the first pairing with Kalteva. With Mäenpää being out for 4-6 months, Honka should get #1 PP time now.
Jesse Ylönen is also playing his first game for Pelicans today.
Kokoonpanot | Pelicans - JYP 22.8.2018 | Liiga
Jesse Ylönen is also playing his first game for Pelicans today.
Kokoonpanot | Pelicans - JYP 22.8.2018 | Liiga
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I definitely think he can take the spot as #1 D in the draft. That title is up in the air IMO, Byram has some concerns, Robertson may not have the upside, Broberg also has some concerns. Honka at least has that elite offensive potential.
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He's for sure #1D as of now. No question. But I think he's #2 overall so far.
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I like the offensive upside in his game but I'm not gonna lie, he can make some really bad decisions in the defensive zone, especially when it comes to playing with puck near your goalie. I'd definately like to see some improvements in that area before I see him as top-5 pick.
Or maybe he finishes the season with 30+ points and no one cares about those issues anymore.
Or maybe he finishes the season with 30+ points and no one cares about those issues anymore.
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Second pairing PP QB with a defensive guy next to him is what i think he will become.
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