Rate the individual trophies

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  1. Frank Drebin

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    In terms of prestige/importance

    1. Lindsay
    2. Hart
    3. Art Ross
    4. Norris/Vezina
    [P] conn smythe
    5. Rocket
    6. Selke
    7. Calder
    8. Byng
    9. Masterton
    10. Clancy
    11. Messier
    12. Jennings
     
  2. tony d

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    1. Hart
    2. Norris
    3. Vezina
    4. Lindsay
    5. Rocket
    6. Calder
    7. Smythe
    8. Masterston
    9. Clancy
    10. Messier
    11. Jennings
    12. Byng
     
  3. StayPuft39

    StayPuft39 Order of the Gartner

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    Art Ross
    Hart/Lindsay
    Norris
    Vezina
    Rocket
    Calder
    Selke
     
  4. DaveG

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    Hart

    Ross
    Lindsay

    Norris
    Vezina
    Conn Smythe

    Rocket
    Selke

    Calder
     
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    It’s RANK not rate

    1. Art Ross
    2. Rocket
    3. Hart
    4. Lindsay
    5. Calder
    6. Vezina
    7. Norris
    8. Selke
     
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  6. Frank Drebin

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    10-4
     
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    As far as forwards go (unfair to compare Defence and Goalies), I'd say the top order would be:

    1) Lindsay - Subjective, but still the whole point is being the most "outstanding" aka. best player in a given year
    2) Ross - The single most common way of comparing forwards is how many points they get, it's a big deal
    3) Rocket - Goals are the whole point of the game, like the ross, they aren't subjective awards, and you gotta be real good to lead in either goals or points
    4) Hart - Too subjective in the last handful of years, players don't get the chance to win this award unless their team makes the playoffs (usually)
    5) Selke - Defence is a secondary job for forwards fundamentally, but still important and impressive (see the praise for Bergeron etc)
    6) Smythe - Like the Hart, too subjective and 90% of players don't even get a chance to compete for it
     
  8. Sidney the Kidney

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    The Hart *should* be the most prestigious. The problem is the people voting for it can't even decide about what criteria to use to vote. Some vote for "best player", while some stick to some really skewed version of "most valuable to his team".

    IMO, while it's supposed to be the top dog, the ambiguity in how the voters view who should win it tarnish it a bit.
     
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    Hart (even though voters overthink it and vote incorrectly)
    Lindsay
    Art Ross
    Rocket
    Vezina
    Norris
    Calder
    Smythe
    Selke
    Jennings
    Masteron
    Clancy
    Messier
    Byng
     
  10. Frank Drebin

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    Surprised that so few rate the lindsay as high as i do. I'd rather be considered the best by my peers over any trophy
     
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    The Lindsay is far and away the most important to the players. Hockey writers are hacks. The players know.
     
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    Lindsay >>> Hart
     
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    No order
    Hart
    Smythe
    Ross
    Lindsay
    Rocket
     
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    Lindsay
    Ross
    Hart
    Rocket
    Smythe
     
  15. Sidney the Kidney

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    I've always wondered how much effort the players actually put into picking a winner. I'm sure some take the responsibility seriously, but I wonder how many are more likely to turn to a teammate and be all, "Hey, bud. Who you got? I'll vote for him too".
     
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    Don't know about the others but art ross is #1. Highest percentage of its winners are in the hof compared to any other trophy, it's reserved for the best of the best. Whereas rocket can be won by the likes of Cheechoo, vezina by Jim Carey, hart by Jose Theodore, conn smythe by Claude Lemieux, etc.
     
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    Less than 5%?

    I don’t know why one would conclude they are that aloof.
     
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    1. The Paul Coffey memorial trophy
    2. The rest
     
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    Smythe
    Lindsey
    Hart
    Norris
    Vezina
    Selke
    Art Ross
    Calder
    Rocket


    None of the others are important
     
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    just curious, you dont think Lemieux was deserving? not a monster playoffs statistically by anyone but he had 13 even strength goals. Jagr only other player to get to 10. Prolly a tough year to pick but im sure he deserved it.
     
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    1. Lady Byng
    2. Selke
    3. Everything else
     
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    1. Hart
    2. Conn Smythe
    3. Art Ross
    4. Lindsey
    5. Norris
    6. Rocket
    7. Calder
    8. Selke
    9. Vezina

    Only 9 that matter in terms of historical greatness.
     
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    Byng ahead of Art Ross?
    Interesting.
     
  24. Mean Gene

    Mean Gene Haters gonna hate

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    Ross
    Lindsey
    Hart
    Smythe
    Norris/Vezina/Richard
    Selke
    Calder
    ...
    ......


    The rest
     
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    I'm not saying any of those players didn't deserve those trophies. I'm saying winning those trophies is possible by players that are not necessarily hall of fame caliber. Whereas art ross you have to be among the best of the best to win.
     

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