Player Discussion Rasmus Dahlin Part 2- D (1st Overall, 2018, Frölunda HC, SHL)

[Buffaloed]

Indeed, for the Sabre blog-o-sphere/twitter-verse, Binnington is getting roasted on his age and partial season.

The Sergei Makarov rule didn't go far enough.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Why Sabres fans dislike Heiskanen?

I doubt most Sabres fans even care about heiskanen. Most Sabres fans would just like dahlin to get his praise without it turning into a heiskanen fest.

 

[TheStorm]

I doubt most Sabres fans even care about heiskanen. Most Sabres fans would just like dahlin to get his praise without it turning into a heiskanen fest.

Or just for people to admit that Heiskanen didn't have a better year than Dahlin.

 

[Ace]

Well yeah but only if you use facts.

 

[theslatcher]

Dahlin öppnar för VM: ”Vore skoj”

According to this + google translate, seems like he'll absolutely go if asked.

Since it's not mentioned yet: he declined his invitation. Presumably because Buffalo don't want him to go.

 

[1972]

Or just for people to admit that Heiskanen didn't have a better year than Dahlin.

He kinda did though, the points weren’t there but Heiskanen was downright amazing.

 

[Jim Bob]

He kinda did though, the points weren’t there but Heiskanen was downright amazing.

The only objective measure where Heiskanen bested Dahlin this season was team results.

Old school counting stats and analytics all favored Dahlin.

Plus, Dahlin was younger and had the lesser supporting cast.

It's OK for Homers to homer. Just stay at home when you homer.

 

[tsujimoto74]

He kinda did though, the points weren’t there but Heiskanen was downright amazing.

There's basically no objective data to back that up though. Because it's not true. Heiskanen was very good, but he was not better than Dahlin.

 

[MrMaster]

Dahlin was younger

Heiskanen was never in the league at his age, he wasn't ready like Dahlin was. This is very important.

I also think you have two separate kind of defensive men: The speedy, fast ones, think of players such as Makar, Heiskanen, Hughes. On the other side there are players like Dahlin, who have a very different type structure to their game. He commands it differently, with more poise and calculus. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years Dahlin will be referred to as the General.

 

[Ace]

He kinda did though, the points weren’t there but Heiskanen was downright amazing.

Teams were less likely to score when Dahlin was on the ice than Miro.

Teams were less likely to have a shot attempt when Dahlin was on the ice than Miro.

Dahlin had a bigger effect on teammates expected scoring than Miro.

Dahlin set up more primary scoring chances than Miro...and almost every other D in the league regardless of age.

Dahlin gets his shots through to the net at a higher rate than Miro...and almost every other D in the league regardless of age.

These aren’t opinions.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Teams were less likely to score when Dahlin was on the ice than Miro.

Teams were less likely to have a shot attempt when Dahlin was on the ice than Miro.

Dahlin had a bigger effect on teammates expected scoring than Miro.

Dahlin set up more primary scoring chances than Miro...and almost every other D in the league regardless of age.

Dahlin gets his shots through to the net at a higher rate than Miro...and almost every other D in the league regardless of age.

These aren’t opinions.

Didn't even touch on his carries from d-zone to o-zone, which also were near the very top of the league (and not just among defensemen), and that's despite not having Heiskanen's straight-line speed.

 

[Tsyolin]

You guys don't get it. All the analytics said Dahlin was better but the only thing that matters, the eye test, told me that Heiskanen had the better year.

 

[Aladyyn]

You guys don't get it. All the analytics said Dahlin was better but the only thing that matters, the eye test, told me that Heiskanen had the better year.

And by eye test I mean the 2 games Dahlin played against Dallas this season (funnily enough 2 of his worst performances iirc).

 

[Aladyyn]

There's basically no objective data to back that up though. Because it's not true. Heiskanen was very good, but he was not better than Dahlin.

Even at absolute worst, they were equally good this season and Dahlin is a year younger. No contest, really.

 

[sufferer]

It's going to be hysterical reading the blowback if Dahlin ends up winning. It's already quite funny as is since Heiskanen was "snubbed" by the Dahlin selection according to the baseless comments on the main board. These happened to be my top three nominees as well.

 

[Ace]

Petterson is winning. Dahlin will be hurt in balloting anyway by voters who think like Dallas fans. Dallas is better...so, in spite of all evidence and proof...Miro gets my vote above Dahlin and it hurts Dahlin in the final tally. You know there are a lot of the voting block that is stuck in the past.

 

[Chainshot]

There are some press types who have already expressed their opinions on it - guys like Friedman and Shannon who were public with their ballots. I don't expect Dahlin to win it at all.

 

[Sabreality]

If Heiskanen fans have beef it should be with Binnington, yeah I know how important he is to the Blues success, but 25 yr olds who play 33 games shouldnt be eligible imo, even if he is a 'rookie'.

Guy was drafted 8 years ago.

 

[GellMann]

If Heiskanen fans have beef it should be with Binnington, yeah I know how important he is to the Blues success, but 25 yr olds who play 33 games shouldnt be eligible imo, even if he is a 'rookie'.

Guy was drafted 8 years ago.

He's important to the blues by virtue of being mediocre or better, because that's all they needed. Too many people are acting like Jordan dragged a bad team out of the pits of hell like Hasek and those Sabres teams. In reality, he gave them stability instead of the worst goaltending in the league like they were getting before, which allowed their hockey team, which was an utter defensive machine, to get the results it actually deserved by posting the best defensive metrics of any NHL team by a fair margin down the stretch.

What Dahlin, Heiskanen, and Pettersson had to do for an entire NHL season was way more difficult than what Jordan had to do for 30 games. As a result, their accomplishments are way more noteworthy.

 

[Phil McKraken]

The Calder cutoff should be at 23 and Heiskanen should be a finalist. I don't even think goalies should be eligible, I don't trust any of them before they've played at least two full seasons (nevermind one half).

 

[Aladyyn]

The Calder cutoff should be at 23 and Heiskanen should be a finalist. I don't even think goalies should be eligible, I don't trust any of them before they've played at least two full seasons (nevermind one half).

I don't trust goalies ever unless they're legitimate all-timers.

 

[Buffaloed]

continued Player Discussion - Rasmus Dahlin Part 3- D (1st Overall, 2018, Frölunda HC, SHL)