Rantanen is on pace for 136 points - Ovechkin 74 goals. Which would be more impressive?

[bobholly39]

Everyone knows 31 games isn't 82 and odds are neither of the 2 come close to keeping pace. No need to have endless posts discussing this.

However - if it did happen:

Which of the 2 feats would be more impressive?

Bonus question - which of the 2 would be more likely to earn the hart?

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[82Ninety42011]

Gotta be 74 goals as points though impressive are not unheard of to get 136. It's happened already 32 times where as 74 goals scored or more is 7 times.

Bonus I'd guess Ovie if he hit that total.

 

[North Cole]

136 is unbelievably impressive, but 74 goals is an all time great season. I say this because Ovechkin would also have 111 total points....which is also impressive to a lesser degree than 136

Went with OV

Ov would be much more likely to win the Hart. He had a conn smythe last year so the voters would be salivating. And Rantanen would split votes with mack. There was a 'poll' in mid Nov - McDavid ahead of MacKinnon in race for Hart Trophy

Rantanen may or may not be ahead of mack if it was redone, and the McDavid part is irrelevant to this thread, just illustrates that they are sharing votes

 

[MightySelanne8]

74 goals, AINEC.

 

[Hynh]

74 goals would be the most since 1992-93 and the 8th most of all time.
136 points would be the most since 1995-96 and the 32nd most of all time.

 

[Plural]

Goals.

 

[JacobimMugatu]

Pretty sure if Ovi puts up 74 it’d be the greatest goalscoring season of all time adjusted for era, so I’m going to go with that

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Just like I told you, it's easily goals. Don't know why you can't accept this.

 

[Icebreakers]

If ovi somehow actually put up 74 goals he's a top 5 player of all time. That's just ridiculous in this era.

 

[Revelation]

Rantanen is on pace for like 33 goals/136 points, Ovechkin is on pace for 74 goals/111 points. That's Ovechkin easily. 100 apples is nice but having MacKinnon and Landeskog helps

 

[authentic]

I think he hits 60-65 this year, but I think it would be close, people are really underestimating 136 points today. Since 2007-08 the highest goal total is Ovechkin himself with 65 then the next closest is 60 from Stamkos. The highest point total since then is 113.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Don’t shoot me rantanen fans but because of Ovechkin s age and it hasn’t been close to done in three decades and the fact he scored 64 inluding olayoffs Just last year, Ovechkin for sure.

Again don’t shoot rantanen fans but playing with Mackinnon who is also on a tear helps. If Ovechkin had Mackinnon right hownolaying how he plays my god he could maybe break gretzkys 92 goal
Record at this pace. I know I know, rantanen has been the one that changed Mackinnons game maybe more so then vixen versa so...

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I think he hits 60-65 this year, but I think it would be close, people are really underestimating 136 points today. Since 2007-08 the highest goal total is Ovechkin himself with 65 then the next closest is 60 from Stamkos. The highest point total since then is 113.

Well yeah if you're letting Rantanen keep his pace while dropping OV's then it's close.

 

[authentic]

Well yeah if you're letting Rantanen keep his pace while dropping OV's then it's close.

That's not what I'm doing I was just mentioning what I think he'll finish with, which would be amazing obviously. Call me crazy but I think 136 points would be a little more impressive than 111.

 

[CP4]

Honestly Id say Rantanen scoring 130+ points would impress me more. Only because I don't expect it from him at all, but if Oveckin scored 74 goals I almost expect that kind of goal production from him. It would still be a great feat nontheless especially because of his age and it would be a career year for him.

 

[authentic]

How is 111 points easily better than 136 regardless of the goal distribution. These are the same boards that the majority seem to agree a goal is barely worth more than an assist on average, and I agree.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

That's not what I'm doing I was just mentioning what I think he'll finish with, which would be amazing obviously. Call me crazy but I think 136 points would be a little more impressive than 111.

Not really. As mentioned 136pts has been done plenty of times, how many times has 75 goals been done? And 75 goals >>>> 32. That's more than double the goals, who cares about 20pts. Rantanen has to score at least 50 for this to be close. And this whole scenario is ignoring that Rantanen isn't even the best player on his own line, MacK is on pace for a more impressive season than him too.

 

[Regal]

I think he hits 60-65 this year, but I think it would be close, people are really underestimating 136 points today. Since 2007-08 the highest goal total is Ovechkin himself with 65 then the next closest is 60 from Stamkos. The highest point total since then is 113.

True, but that's partly because of how good those two seasons are from a goalscoring perspective. I don't think any seasons in that time frame rate as high all time from a point production standpoint as those two do from an all time goal scoring standpoint. And if we look at the two seasons before that, you have Thornton at 125, Jagr at 123, and Crosby at 120, all of which are closer to 136 than 65 is to 74 (though only slightly)

I don't think there's a huge difference, but I think there'd be a clear one. At least in terms of which is more impressive in a historical context. If it's simply who would be the better player, then it's hard to say, partly because of the Avs stacked line. The typical Ovechkin "goals are the best" crowd will probably say it's still easily Ovechkin, but a 25 point gap is pretty huge.

Interestingly, Rantanen getting 103 assists might be more impressive than either historically. Only Gretzky, Lemieux and Orr have topped 100 before.

 

[authentic]

Not really. As mentioned 136pts has been done plenty of times, how many times has 75 goals been done? And 75 goals >>>> 32. That's more than double the goals, who cares about 20pts. Rantanen has to score at least 50 for this to be close. And this whole scenario is ignoring that Rantanen isn't even the best player on his own line, MacK is on pace for a more impressive season than him too.

136 to 111 is 25 more points, this would be equivalent to saying if Matthews or Laine had a 60 goal, 80 point season it would easily be more impressive than McDavid's first Art Ross win. It would be close but it wouldn't be.

 

[authentic]

True, but that's partly because of how good those two seasons are from a goalscoring perspective. I don't think any seasons in that time frame rate as high all time from a point production standpoint as those two do from an all time goal scoring standpoint. And if we look at the two seasons before that, you have Thornton at 125, Jagr at 123, and Crosby at 120, all of which are closer to 136 than 65 is to 74 (though only slightly)

I don't think there's a huge difference, but I think there'd be a clear one.

I can see why people think it's more impressive, but to me 136 points over 111 is technically better and more impressive, unless we factor in Ovechkin's age and cementing himself as the greatest goal scorer of all-time then it's more impressive. People bring up linemates too but Backstrom has kept pace with Ovechkin in points for the most part since 2010. He plays arguably with more offensive talent than anyone all around.

 

[Regal]

I can see why people think it's more impressive, but to me 136 points over 111 is technically better and more impressive, unless we factor in Ovechkin's age and cementing himself as the greatest goal scorer of all-time then it's more impressive. People bring up linemates too but Backstrom has kept pace with Ovechkin in points for the most part since 2010. He plays arguably with more offensive talent than anyone all around.

I was just looking at it from the perspective of whether 136 points or 74 goals is more impressive in a historical sense, which I think is what the question is supposed to be. Comparing who is better based on their seasons in full (33 goals, 136 points vs. 74 goals, 111 points) would be a different question imo.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

136 to 111 is 25 more points, this would be equivalent to saying if Matthews or Laine had a 60 goal, 80 point season it would easily be more impressive than McDavid's first Art Ross win. It would be close but it wouldn't be.

No it's not the equivalent because 60 goals ≠ 75. 60 goals, while obviously impressive, has been done 2x recently and many times in history. 75 goals is much more impressive than 136pts because it's rarely been done.

 

[Helistin]

Do we really need to pick one? If they can keep the pace both would be insane numbers in today's NHL.

 

[authentic]

I was just looking at it from the perspective of whether 136 points or 74 goals is more impressive in a historical sense, which I think is what the question is supposed to be. Comparing who is better based on their seasons in full (33 goals, 136 points vs. 74 goals, 111 points) would be a different question imo.

Yeah of course, but I think that you could easily argue the better season is more impressive. I think it's close despite the 25 point gap because 74 goals today would be insane obviously.

 

[authentic]

No it's not the equivalent because 60 goals ≠ 75. 60 goals, while obviously impressive, has been done 2x recently and many times in history. 75 goals is much more impressive than 136pts because it's rarely been done.

Just because something is more rare that does not necessarily make it more impressive though. I think players who produce more overall offense are more impressive when the gap is 25 points.