Line Combos: Rank our Defensemen

[haulinbass]

Hroneks not good enough for you guys to like as a 3/4 D? I guess its elite 1D or bust for this fan base. Hopefully Yzerman can find 4 Seiders for this team.

 

[nhlisawesome]

Lindstrom is a funny one. Zero offensive touch but seems to play a solid defensive game that should only get better. Could be our Chris Tanev? Although at some point Gustav needs to find the back of the net. He can seemingly move the puck a bit though

 

[SoupGuru]

Lindstrom is second on the team at 5v5 P/60 behind Hronek and before Seider.

 

[jaster]

Hroneks not good enough for you guys to like as a 3/4 D? I guess its elite 1D or bust for this fan base. Hopefully Yzerman can find 4 Seiders for this team.

Hronek detractors are certainly not representative of the entire fanbase. I'm fine with Hronek as a 2nd-pair defenseman. Upgrading him in that role is waaaaaay down the priority list for me. I'd like to upgrade him in the current role he's in as our leading dman in TOI, but he's not a 3rd-pair dman. Neither in ability, nor in reputation/contract status.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Seider is the best and a legit #1D and easily the biggest reason for our improvement this year
Leddy is a solid top 4 D
Hronek is a #3/4 with consistency issues

Everyone else is straight trash

 

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[Mandalorian]

I think you guys need an upgrade on D.

With Staal and DeKeyser off the book this summer, I think you could afford Jeff Petry at 10% retained. Good for leadership, big body, PMD, beside the bad season he is having (which is kind of normal playing for such a shit team), he has been a consistent 40 points #2 or 3 dman the past couple of season.

Plus he comes from Michigan.

Any interest in him? What kind of assets Yzerman would be ready to give for a 10% retained Jeff Petry?

 

[Gniwder]

I think you guys need an upgrade on D.

With Staal and DeKeyser off the book this summer, I think you could afford Jeff Petry at 10% retained. Good for leadership, big body, PMD, beside the bad season he is having (which is kind of normal playing for such a shit team), he has been a consistent 40 points #2 or 3 dman the past couple of season.

Plus he comes from Michigan.

Any interest in him? What kind of assets Yzerman would be ready to give for a 10% retained Jeff Petry?

2 assists in 27 games? What's wrong with him this year?

3 more year of an older defenseman whose production fell off a cliff. No thanks.

 

[Gniwder]

Hroneks not good enough for you guys to like as a 3/4 D? I guess its elite 1D or bust for this fan base. Hopefully Yzerman can find 4 Seiders for this team.

I dunno what the advanced stats say, but Leddy and Hronek are near the league bottom for +/- this season. Some of that has to do with the inability of the bottom 6 to score, but at the same time, I feel more comfortable watching Lindstrom in the defensive zone than either of those 2 guys.

In any case, there's a huge gap between Seider and everyone else. Absolutely huge. When Seider touches the puck, you don't have any worries, everyone else makes me literally cringe. Same with Fabbri in the defensive zone, WTF is up with his weak passes up the middle?

 

[Mandalorian]

2 assists in 27 games? What's wrong with him this year?

3 more year of an older defenseman whose production fell off a cliff. No thanks.

He hasn't been himself this year on a team that underperforms at all position, doesn't erase his play for the last 4 seasons where he had 40 points and over.

As far as I know Fabbri had 3 goals in 40 games(2 seasons combined) before you guys aquired him and I doubt a lot of Red Wings fan are disappointed with the trade.

Still a top 4 defenseman with 40 points potential who could be had for a lower value that his real worth, brings size and mobility to your blueline.

But hey, if you prefer to pay 2 1st and some grade A prospect for a top young defenseman like Chychrun, go ahead. It was just a suggestion as I see you guys have a weak blue line and some cap space.

 

[14ari13]

Realistically, you have Seider that's obviously top pair, Leddy that's second pair and the rest are all third pair D including Hronek.

Hronek has been an absolute disappointment, I thought the issue was having crappy partners but even with legit NHL level partners he looks like garbage. His offense has disappeared too, whatever happened to his shooting? Leddy needs a physical stay at home D as a partner, those 2 really should be split up.

Stecher isn't done, he'll get a job as a 6/7D somewhere. There are worse players with regular spots like DeHaan. I do not see him re-signing with the Wings, but with a cellar dweller. If Cholo can get a roster spot, Stecher can too.

I doubt anyone will sing him. And if someone does, he is one hit away from losing his job in NHL. He is too small and has no other assets to make up for it.

 

[Gniwder]

He hasn't been himself this year on a team that underperforms at all position, doesn't erase his play for the last 4 seasons where he had 40 points and over.

As far as I know Fabbri had 3 goals in 40 games(2 seasons combined) before you guys aquired him and I doubt a lot of Red Wings fan are disappointed with the trade.

Still a top 4 defenseman with 40 points potential who could be had for a lower value that his real worth, brings size and mobility to your blueline.

But hey, if you prefer to pay 2 1st and some grade A prospect for a top young defenseman like Chychrun, go ahead. It was just a suggestion as I see you guys have a weak blue line and some cap space.

I'm not the GM, lol. You're not one of those people who think we have some sort of control over the roster, are you?

It's not a trade that Stevie would do. Maybe if he was on an expiring contract, but not with 3 years left after this season. he likes his cap flexibility, just look at the current roster. He's been shedding salary, not adding. Not to mention Petry's age doesn't fit he rebuild timeline.

I doubt anyone will sing him. And if someone does, he is one hit away from losing his job in NHL. He is too small and has no other assets to make up for it.

He has absolute highlight reel games every 15 games or so, that's why he has fans here. (Mainly fans that watch highlights and not full games) Problem is that he sucks for 14 games in between.

I'll easily place a wager that he gets signed by an NHL team. It might be league min for one year, but there are a lot of crappy D out there.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

1. Seider

2. Hronek
3. Lindstrom
4. Leddy

everyone else

 

[lilidk]

Klingberg request trade from Dallas . Should we get him?

 

[newfy]

Seider
Leddy


Hronek
Lindstrom
Stecher
Staal
DD
Oesterle

Quoted because its the right answer. I would probably put Stecher and Staal as even and remove the gap between Leddy and Hronek though.

Lindstrom is quietly really steady back there and has the chance to be a fairly important piece to the blueline down the road I think

 

[TheOctopusKid]

...But hey, if you prefer to pay 2 1st and some grade A prospect for a top young defenseman like Chychrun, go ahead. It was just a suggestion as I see you guys have a weak blue line and some cap space.

What is this random hard sell on Petry all of a sudden? Just swinging in here and negging us..."I see you guys have a weak blue line"...haha. Strange.

Back to your original question if Yzerman would realistically pursue a trade for Jeff Petry as an upgrade to our blue line? It doesn't really make sense for the Wings or align to any of the moves he's generally made up until this point. Petry, at 34 (35?), and a rather significant cap hit of 6M+, doesn't fit literally any of the moves he's made to date. I think you're better off trying to sell him off in a trade to a team looking for that savvy veteran Top 4 PMD to give them that last piece to make a run - EDM and NYR jump to mind.

 

[Mlotek]

What is this random hard sell on Petry all of a sudden? Just swinging in here and negging us..."I see you guys have a weak blue line"...haha. Strange.

Back to your original question if Yzerman would realistically pursue a trade for Jeff Petry as an upgrade to our blue line? It doesn't really make sense for the Wings or align to any of the moves he's generally made up until this point. Petry, at 34 (35?), and a rather significant cap hit of 6M+, doesn't fit literally any of the moves he's made to date. I think you're better off trying to sell him off in a trade to a team looking for that savvy veteran Top 4 PMD to give them that last piece to make a run - EDM and NYR jump to mind.

Well said.

Also Petry's main thing is offense and the PP.

With Seider on the 1st PP, there is barely enough PP time for Hronek and Leddy.

He isn't gonna push Seider off the first unit anyhow. Clearly not a fit. Plus the points you made about his age and contract.

 

[14ari13]

I'm not the GM, lol. You're not one of those people who think we have some sort of control over the roster, are you?

It's not a trade that Stevie would do. Maybe if he was on an expiring contract, but not with 3 years left after this season. he likes his cap flexibility, just look at the current roster. He's been shedding salary, not adding. Not to mention Petry's age doesn't fit he rebuild timeline.



He has absolute highlight reel games every 15 games or so, that's why he has fans here. (Mainly fans that watch highlights and not full games) Problem is that he sucks for 14 games in between.

I'll easily place a wager that he gets signed by an NHL team. It might be league min for one year, but there are a lot of crappy D out there.

I think Lindstrom has played steady and Stecher has lost his job to him. I think Yzerman will give him a chance so he can showcase himself to other teams. The best Stecher can achieve is max 50-100 another NHL games, though I doubt anyone will sign him.

 

[Oddbob]

Klingberg request trade from Dallas . Should we get him?

No. The contract he will get will be a bummer for whoever gets him, probably 3 years in.

 

[Oddbob]

I think Lindstrom has played steady and Stecher has lost his job to him. I think Yzerman will give him a chance so he can showcase himself to other teams. The best Stecher can achieve is max 50-100 another NHL games, though I doubt anyone will sign him.

Stecher will definitely get another deal in the NHL. Teams always need depth and Stecher is more than fine in that role.

 

[DoMakc]

Hroneks not good enough for you guys to like as a 3/4 D? I guess its elite 1D or bust for this fan base. Hopefully Yzerman can find 4 Seiders for this team.

I strongly dislike Hronek's skillset, he is a top 4 D, but he needs a cetrain type of D partner to be effective. He is offensive defenseman, who actually struggles at moving the puck - I think that's reason he failed so miserably as PP QB - he had hard time perfoming zone entries, and the reason why he needs to be paired with Leddy, who is maybe the best D currently at zone entries and exits. But them together, while being generally competent in the own zone, possess same weaknesses, which makes them not so effective there. I think ideal partner for him is somebody like Seider. With the current setup of the D i prefer Lindström over Hronek.

 

[wingerdinger]

I think you guys need an upgrade on D.

With Staal and DeKeyser off the book this summer, I think you could afford Jeff Petry at 10% retained. Good for leadership, big body, PMD, beside the bad season he is having (which is kind of normal playing for such a shit team), he has been a consistent 40 points #2 or 3 dman the past couple of season.

Plus he comes from Michigan.

Any interest in him? What kind of assets Yzerman would be ready to give for a 10% retained Jeff Petry?

1. No shit every team in the league needs to upgrade on d thats way teams like tampa always trade for guys at the deadline.

2. Why would we do our time getting rid of two old overpayed immoble dmen, just to bring in another one, while giving away assests? Asnine.

3. Everybody knows he's from Michigan his dad pitched for Tigers. Thanks for trying. Yzerman doesnt do sentimentality, this isnt a country club anymore.

4. You got it wrong, only way Petry comes to Detroit is if you guys give us assets, see the marc staal deal. Starting with at least a 1st and a 3rd.

 

[14ari13]

Stecher will definitely get another deal in the NHL. Teams always need depth and Stecher is more than fine in that role.

Maybe. But I put my money on he won't.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Seider is the best defenceman on the Wings and no one else is close
Hronek is the 2nd best defenceman on the Wings and no one else is close.

 

[Christoph53]

1. Seider

2. Hronek
3. Lindström
4. Leddy

5. The Rest

(My god our left side is awful)