Post-Game Talk: Rangers vs. Golden Knights 10/31

[kovazub94]

Kovalev had his best season as a Ranger when Keenan rode his ass hard, and although talented , Buchnevich has a way lower ceiling than Kovalev.

I was responding to a different post but what's your point? If Buch needed some tough love - sure, but you do it for a few periods, maybe a game (or two AT MOST). AV had Buchnevich on the 4th line for so long it dismantled all forward units for no good reason.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I was responding to a different post but what's your point? If Buch needed some tough love - sure, but you do it for a few periods, maybe a game or two. AV had Buchnevich on the 4th line for so long it dismantled all forward units for no good reason.

Maybe there were more issues going on.

 

[kovazub94]

Maybe there were more issues going on.

Please enlighten me. I don't follow your implications.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Please enlighten me. I don't follow your implications.

He was a rookie. It’s not unheard of to ride Rookie a bit and trust them less. And a lot of what people say about him driving the offense comes from the overly hot first 10 games and then extrapolated on blog sites about his impact.

Very likely his results would have been terrible in reality had he been given more responsibility.

I mean do need a source for you about Rookie treatment ?

 

[Fvital92]

He was a rookie. It’s not unheard of to ride Rookie a bit and trust them less. And a lot of what people say about him driving the offense comes from the overly hot first 10 games and then extrapolated on blog sites about his impact.

Very likely his results would have been terrible in reality had he been given more responsibility.

I mean do need a source for you about Rookie treatment ?

Only if the rookie treatment stopped in the rookie season... Instead of going to the AHL , Buchnevich went to 4th line this year.

Can you justify this years decision? Our second most productive player spent the majority of the season in the 4th line, it's ridiculous.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Only if the rookie treatment stopped in the rookie season... Instead of going to the AHL , Buchnevich went to 4th line this year.

Can you justify this years decision?

10 Games removed from rookie season in which he already sustained a bad back injury.

And the whole team was a tire fire

And he played well last night and was given more responsibility accordingly

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Related note: I still think Buch is a good player, and he has a lot of upside, but I’m certain many of you will be sorely disappointed with his cealing.

 

[Fvital92]

10 Games removed from rookie season in which he already sustained a bad back injury.

And the whole team was a tire fire

And he played well last night and was given more responsibility accordingly

He was good in ther first games before being demoted to the 4yh line, that was why people got enraged with AV.

Related note: I still think Buch is a good player, and he has a lot of upside, but I’m certain many of you will be sorely disappointed with his cealing.

That's okay, but he is our winger with the biggest upside, I don't thing Kreider or Miller will get a lot more better than te play they displayed last season.

 

[Machinehead]

Related note: I still think Buch is a good player, and he has a lot of upside, but I’m certain many of you will be sorely disappointed with his cealing.

He's pacing for 63 points.

I'm happy if this IS his ceiling.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He's pacing for 63 points.

I'm happy if this IS his ceiling.

63 points for a dynamic 2nd line winger (playing 4th line minutes) is amazing

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

He's pacing for 63 points.

I'm happy if this IS his ceiling.

That settles it.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

63 points for a dynamic 2nd line winger (playing 4th line minutes) is amazing

So AV is using him wrong?

If he is, then Buch would be going for the Art Ross, or is there possibly some third or fourth variable between Alpha and Omega?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So AV is using him wrong?

If he is, then Buch would be going for the Art Ross, or is there possibly some third or fourth variable between Alpha and Omega?

Buchnevich has gotten a bunch of points in the recent games, some despite playing on the 4th line. In my opinion, Vesey belongs on the 4th line, not Buch.

 

[romba]

I hear a ton of 'haven't played a full 60 minutes'. I'm not sure what that even means. No team can play a full 60 minutes. 6-0 shutout 45-15 shot total with no turn overs or lapses in defensive coverage is a complete game. But that doesn't happen. Ever. The other team is getting paid too and the parity in the league and the up and down nature of momentum swings happen in hockey. This isn't the late 90's Red Wings rolling over the dregs of the NHL.

Fans assume when the other team applies pressure and/or scores that it is because our team messed up. Sometimes the other guys just make great plays and you tip your hat.

I agree the Rangers need to not crap the bed for an entire period and a half, but asking for a complete game is setting expectations way too high (as fans tend to do). Let's start with a solid 1st period and take it from there.

Maybe (more than likely) I'm nit picking and arguing semantics but complaining about 'not playing a full 60 minutes' is a pet peeve of mine.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Maybe I'm a hopelessly optimistic Ranger fan but imo Buchnevich's ceiling is Kucherov
At the same age he produced at very similar rates to Kucherov, Tarasenko, Panarin in the KHL and is now producing at very similar rates to how they did in the NHL. With far fewer minutes.

 

[Edge]

I hear a ton of 'haven't played a full 60 minutes'. I'm not sure what that even means. No team can play a full 60 minutes. 6-0 shutout 45-15 shot total with no turn overs or lapses in defensive coverage is a complete game. But that doesn't happen. Ever. The other team is getting paid too and the parity in the league and the up and down nature of momentum swings happen in hockey. This isn't the late 90's Red Wings rolling over the dregs of the NHL.

Fans assume when the other team applies pressure and/or scores that it is because our team messed up. Sometimes the other guys just make great plays and you tip your hat.

I agree the Rangers need to not crap the bed for an entire period and a half, but asking for a complete game is setting expectations way too high (as fans tend to do). Let's start with a solid 1st period and take it from there.

Maybe (more than likely) I'm nit picking and arguing semantics but complaining about 'not playing a full 60 minutes' is a pet peeve of mine.

I think it's slang for looking prepared and engaged.

There are times a team looks reasonably prepared, but they're just getting beat. Maybe they aren't quite executing, maybe the other team is more talented, maybe there were a handful mental lapses that made the difference, but overall, the team looked like it had a plan it was trying execute.

Right now, looks like it is asleep when the game starts and then wakes up in the third period. I think that contrast is what fans are noticing most of all and it's such a startling difference, and such a noticeable line in the sand, that it calls attention to it.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

one more vote for kampfer

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Maybe I'm a hopelessly optimistic Ranger fan but imo Buchnevich's ceiling is Kucherov
At the same age he produced at very similar rates to Kucherov, Tarasenko, Panarin in the KHL and is now producing at very similar rates to how they did in the NHL. With far fewer minutes.

People often confuse ceiling with possible level a player might reach. I think Buchnevich' ceiling is definitely Kucherov. But there is a big chance he will be a little below that.

 

[Irishguy42]

People often confuse ceiling with possible level a player might reach. I think Buchnevich' ceiling is definitely Kucherov. But there is a big chance he will be a little below that.

I will take a "little below" Kucherov. Easily.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I will take a "little below" Kucherov. Easily.

Same here. Kucherov is elite. I love that kid. If Buchnevich turns into Kuch-lite, I will be happy

 

[Machinehead]

So AV is using him wrong?

If he is, then Buch would be going for the Art Ross, or is there possibly some third or fourth variable between Alpha and Omega?

At this point you're just posting to be contrarian.

If I said the Rangers were blue, you would argue they're "smoked azure"

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

At this point you're just posting to be contrarian.

If I said the Rangers were blue, you would argue they're "smoked azure"

The flat Earth society forum posters told me the same thing about my convoluted oblate spheroid Earth hypothesis.

 

[Petey Pucks]

The flat Earth society forum posters told me the same thing about my convoluted oblate spheroid Earth hypothesis.

didn't you know? pragmatism and caution is only reserved for the older and jaded generation of Rangers fans these young ens will be at that point soon enough

One example I remember just a few years back , only after a few seasons Mcd had been a NHL regular , was that many here were so sure he was going to be Norris trophy material in the future. I then cautioned maybe we should wait until the jury is out which ran contrary to the optimistic and hopeful consensus. Then the following year happened and the excuse was the captaincy on his shoulders.....then the following year it was something else....and now here we are and McD is still no closer to being Norris material. In fact one can argue it's the converse now.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

didn't you know? pragmatism and caution is only reserved for the older and jaded generation of Rangers fans these young ens will be at that point soon enough

One example I remember just a few years back , only after a few seasons Mcd had been a NHL regular , was that many here were so sure he was going to be Norris trophy material in the future. I then cautioned maybe we should wait until the jury is out which ran contrary to the optimistic and hopeful consensus. Then the following year happened and the excuse was the captaincy on his shoulders.....then the following year it was something else....and now here we are and McD is still no closer to being Norris material. In fact one can argue it's the converse now.

In the blink of an eye...

 

[Riche16]

I didn’t think their 1st period was nearly as bad as some make it out to be... maybe the other 1st I’ve watched them play this season have GREATLY lowered my expectations.