GDT: Raleigh Hurricanes vs. Sunrise Panthers

[chaz4hockey]

The switch from TDA to Orlov on the top unit was surely noticeable. Also, Chatfield didn’t do himself any favors last night.

They have a good bit to figure out on the back end. Outside of Skjei, none of them have looked like the “elite” group they were billed to be.

Personally, I think that TDA needs to be a fixture. They figured out how to mask his defensive miscues 2 seasons ago (Slavin). Time to go back to that pair imho. Mix and match with the rest. Easiest to keep Skjei-Pesce together, however, Skjei-Orlov looked good together and I suppose Pesce could play opposite Burns if need be.

Even with putting TDA with Slavin and mush-mashing the rest, you have the problem of what to do with Chatfield. I’d look to move one of Chatfield or Pesce (maybe with Drury attached)to add another forward who could take Martinook’s place on the Staal line and a proper depth D.

I would try for a big splash trading Drury, one of Chat or Pesce and TT (who’s strong start may have rehabilitated his rep on the market) for a top C or scoring forward. Short of getting a top C I’d settle for a top/needs to bigger forward and bring up Pono or Suzuki for 4th line.

Finally, for those watching college hockey this year, is Morrow a possibility to make that leap from college this year?

 

[Borsig]

The over exaggeration of Orlov’s play is funny.

The best available FA isn’t typically ‘lazy.’ But the narrative has to be formed to ensure you can somehow raise TDA on a pedestal.

Is he perfect? Nope. Is he making mistakes in the system like everyone else did? Yep. Everything else? Nope.

He's complete trash and responsible for 3 of our losses.

Narrative lol.

Couple more and he will be the worst signing since Darling.

At least he isn't a drunk?

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

He's complete trash and responsible for 3 of our losses.

Narrative lol.

Couple more and he will be the worst signing since Darling.

At least he isn't a drunk?

You are literally the only person with this viewpoint

 

[chaz4hockey]

Tonight will be interesting and test whether as someone suggested has Rod lost the room:

 

[Borsig]

You are literally the only person with this viewpoint

Oh well.

He sucks. He's garbage.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I mean, last night at least, it was very noticeable that replacing DeAngelo with Orlov did not work out. There were a couple times that a setup for a one-timer was obvious, but because of the handedness difference between TonyD and Orlov, there was enough time for the opposing PK to block the shooting lane. One of those times led to Aho taking a penalty immediately after.

Now, that could have been simply because he wasn’t used to playing the PP, or that the team was playing like shit in general, but it definitely wasn’t the same PP we’ve seen the past few games

Not arguing that Orlov isn’t a downgrade. Fortunately, Burns is there to move up into that 1st unit role, perhaps as soon as tonight. Orlov should be good enough to soak up what are often throwaway minutes with the 2nd unit.

Big picture view, DeAngelo’s net contributions are not worth making a sub-optimal lineup decision or forcing a trade, imo.

 

[Borsig]

Tonight will be interesting and test whether as someone suggested has Rod lost the room:

I don't think he's lost the room. (It was my post) but I think the team has gotten lazy from being on top of the metro and they expect things to come easy.

News flash. You're not elite. You're not Boston Vegas Edmonton etc. You don't have a single super star talent on this team. You'll be lucky to have one player in the top 20 scorers at the end of the season. No one on this team will see 100 points. In fact you might not see a point a game. You got where you were by work. If you stop doing that, you're a bunch of middlers in a bubble team.

Because that's what we are. Middling talent. With the exception of svech aho when they're on and slavin.

Sorry. You don't have to like it.

Canes brindamour hockey is about work ethic. Maybe one game they've given a full 60.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

He's complete trash and responsible for 3 of our losses.

Narrative lol.

Couple more and he will be the worst signing since Darling.

At least he isn't a drunk?

It’s literally a narrative for you. He is one of a few characters responsible for a our losses so far but not solely responsible for a single loss.

But yet in true you fashion you try and try to hyper focus on one tree and miss the forest.

Do you boo but at least own up to it

 

[AD Skinner]

Are we talking about Sergei Samsonov? Or Alex Semin?

 

[Stickpucker]

I don't think he's lost the room. (It was my post) but I think the team has gotten lazy from being on top of the metro and they expect things to come easy.

News flash. You're not elite. You're not Boston Vegas Edmonton etc. You don't have a single super star talent on this team. You'll be lucky to have one player in the top 20 scorers at the end of the season. No one on this team will see 100 points. In fact you might not see a point a game. You got where you were by work. If you stop doing that, you're a bunch of middlers in a bubble team.

Because that's what we are. Middling talent. With the exception of svech aho when they're on and slavin.

Sorry. You don't have to like it.

Canes brindamour hockey is about work ethic. Maybe one game they've given a full 60.

The young lion has been eating well the last 5 years and has become fat and complacent. Not as good a hunter.

Must be careful NJ, Detroit, Ottawa, and Buffalo are young and hungry.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Are we talking about Sergei Samsonov? Or Alex Semin?

I hope Semin because Samsanov worked his bag off throughout his NHL career.

 

[bleedgreen]

Orlov is our best offensive dman imo. That may not be the best fit for the first group but that’s a chemistry issue more than anything else. I’d give it more time though, as Burns wasn’t an immediate great fit imo. He just threw everything at the net until he learned how to play with them.

Burns is a spam shooter with a little bit of poise for the nice passes. Tony is a spam passer, everything he does on the pp is quick, though he doesn’t have much poise to find the perfect pass and he’s not a great shooter. That can fit with our guys though.

Orlov is a better shooter than Tony by a mile, and has the poise for the passes more than both of the other two imo. He’s at least as good a shooter as Burns, and is a better skater. Orlov has a little spaz in him so far this year, that could be the transition to us or the pressure of the contract.

In a playoff game he’s the most likely of the three to rush up the ice beating guys to make the play of the series imo.

He’s a great addition, we just didn’t have a natural place for him. I like him with Chatfield, though I’d love to see him with Pesce. He’s more dynamic than the other guys, and that’s always welcome with us.

I don’t care that he’s struggled. It’s not like he lacks effort, he just hasn’t found his way and it’s still the first quarter of his first season with us.

 

[Borsig]

Are we talking about Sergei Samsonov? Or Alex Semin?

Sorry semin. Brain fart. You called it.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

My biggest problem with Orlov has nothing to do with his offensive play. It's his mental game that bug the crap out of me.

His inability to correctly determine when it's correct to pinch or to throw the puck up the boards or whathaveyou has led to more breakaways/odd-man rushes than...probably any defenseman I've ever seen lace up for the Canes.

And while some of it may be adjusting to the new system, a lot of it is stuff that should be common knowledge for someone who has been in the league as long as he has. The fact that it apparently hasn't sunk in, despite the numerous goals against he's been on the ice for thus far, it's worrisome.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Burns didn’t know when to pinch either before thanksgiving

 

[Borsig]

Orlov is our best offensive dman imo. That may not be the best fit for the first group but that’s a chemistry issue more than anything else. I’d give it more time though, as Burns wasn’t an immediate great fit imo. He just threw everything at the net until he learned how to play with them.

Burns is a spam shooter with a little bit of poise for the nice passes. Tony is a spam passer, everything he does on the pp is quick, though he doesn’t have much poise to find the perfect pass and he’s not a great shooter. That can fit with our guys though.

Orlov is a better shooter than Tony by a mile, and has the poise for the passes more than both of the other two imo. He’s at least as good a shooter as Burns, and is a better skater. Orlov has a little spaz in him so far this year, that could be the transition to us or the pressure of the contract.

In a playoff game he’s the most likely of the three to rush up the ice beating guys to make the play of the series imo.

He’s a great addition, we just didn’t have a natural place for him. I like him with Chatfield, though I’d love to see him with Pesce. He’s more dynamic than the other guys, and that’s always welcome with us.

I don’t care that he’s struggled. It’s not like he lacks effort, he just hasn’t found his way and it’s still the first quarter of his first season with us.

Are you saying orlov is a better passer than tda?

Whut

 

[Borsig]

My biggest problem with Orlov has nothing to do with his offensive play. It's his mental game that bug the crap out of me.

His inability to correctly determine when it's correct to pinch or to throw the puck up the boards or whathaveyou has led to more breakaways/odd-man rushes than...probably any defenseman I've ever seen lace up for the Canes.

And while some of it may be adjusting to the new system, a lot of it is stuff that should be common knowledge for someone who has been in the league as long as he has. The fact that it apparently hasn't sunk in, despite the numerous goals against he's been on the ice for thus far, it's worrisome.

It's because he's simply not very smart. How many times havewe seen him di the confused pivot in the middle of the ice move?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's because he's simply not very smart. How many times havewe seen him di the confused pivot in the middle of the ice move?

About as many times as we’ve seen TonyD try to seal the wall, fail to do so, and lead to an odd man rush against.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I love reading this board after a loss.

 

[Daeavorn]

Our playoff PP was bad. Yes tony was also bad in the playoffs with us but I think he gives us a better chance.

I prefer quick passes over bombs from the point.

All in all i dont really give a shit about him I just want our PP to be good.

Weve seen that erring on the side of defense hasnt worked out for us.

 

[hockeynjune]

as a UNC and Canes fan, it might be a rough night for me.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

I need to figure out an a way for borsig for trade for backstrom….

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I need to figure out an a way for borsig for trade for backstrom….

Or you could just put him on waivers.

 

[Borsig]

About as many times as we’ve seen TonyD try to seal the wall, fail to do so, and lead to an odd man rush against.

Tony makes 1.2 (?) and is billed as a PP specialist whos a stellar passer with defensive liabilites.

Orlov is a 7.75 Million dollar liability who's a massive waste of money and cap drain. You could likely get TDA claimed if you waived him. Think anyone would claim Orlov right now?

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Defense is valued commodity in the nhl. I would hope Washington could claim him with backstrom on LTIR.