OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Uh...

[Gunnar Staal]

Shouldve never traded dickerson for that bum deker. Also, cutch sucks. Marte should be in CF.


2-0

Shouldve been over and 0-0 but cutch cant play defense anymore.

Cutch has been the third-best center fielder on this team for over a year now. It's pretty obvious to everyone except him and Hurdle.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Shouldve never traded dickerson for that bum deker. Also, cutch sucks. Marte should be in CF.


2-0

Shouldve been over and 0-0 but cutch cant play defense anymore.

Again, it was one of those NH trades that left you scratching your head. I like Dickerson, but I lost touch with his status. I thought he would be good there immediately, looks like he is now getting his shot and may be a heck of a player.

 

[Gunnar Staal]

Again, it was one of those NH trades that left you scratching your head. I like Dickerson, but I lost touch with his status. I thought he would be good there immediately, looks like he is now getting his shot and may be a heck of a player.

I remember Dickerson not being that well-regarded as a prospect (I think the knack on him was that he lacked the "power" needed to be a corner infielder). His numbers were solid, but not eye-popping, so I'm happy that he's made it. It looks like he exceeded the expectations by a decent margin, so far.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I remember Dickerson not being that well-regarded as a prospect (I think the knack on him was that he lacked the "power" needed to be a corner infielder). His numbers were solid, but not eye-popping, so I'm happy that he's made it. It looks like he exceeded the expectations by a decent margin, so far.

I have to note that Dickerson has 7 HR's in 111 AB's.

Marte has 7 HR's in 383 AB's


I understand Marte had a different toolset, but all you had to do was look at Dickerson's build to project some power.

 

[PensandCaps]

I have to note that Dickerson has 7 HR's in 111 AB's.

Marte has 7 HR's in 383 AB's


I understand Marte had a different toolset, but all you had to do was look at Dickerson's build to project some power.

Id take him over jaso thats for sure. He looks like a 20 homer guy no problem year in year out.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I have to note that Dickerson has 7 HR's in 111 AB's.

Marte has 7 HR's in 383 AB's


I understand Marte had a different toolset, but all you had to do was look at Dickerson's build to project some power.

Not sure what role Dickerson would have when this guy is sitting in AAA right now

 

[Coastal Kev]

Not sure what role Dickerson would have when this guy is sitting in AAA right now

Ok... but keep him, let him grow in value and trade him in a package for a real player.

Jeff Decker? Where exactly did he fit in our plans?

 

[DanielPlainview]

You can't use today's knowledge to judge a player's value in the past. Dickerson developed beyond what the Pirates expected. It happens.

FTR, I was disappointed when Dickerson was traded because I thought he had decent potential. I don't blame them for moving him, though. Decker was a risk that didn't work out. That also happens. The Pirates aren't worse today for it, so I don't even really care.

 

[djt153]

Alex Dickerson has done what exactly to be different than Chris Shelton? he's had a nice 40 games this year as a 26 year old

 

[Return of the Paek]

Sword!!! Oh yeah, and it's a joke that they didn't charge Cutch with an error in the first. I think Joyce should play in his place the rest of the year or until further notice.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Grounds crew says...

They're still shiitty

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Big win, now get a long crazy winning streak going!!!!

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Again, it was one of those NH trades that left you scratching your head. I like Dickerson, but I lost touch with his status. I thought he would be good there immediately, looks like he is now getting his shot and may be a heck of a player.

He was a marginal prospect that missed time every year with back issues. He's just now getting his feet wet as a 26 year old and has never hit more than 17 HRs in a year and only more than 13 once.

Even if he keeps hitting at the (very small sample and unsustainable) pace he is right now he's still only on pace for a 2.4 WAR.

 

[Coastal Kev]

He was a marginal prospect that missed time every year with back issues. He's just now getting his feet wet as a 26 year old and has never hit more than 17 HRs in a year and only more than 13 once.

Even if he keeps hitting at the (very small sample and unsustainable) pace he is right now he's still only on pace for a 2.4 WAR.

War?? What is it good for, absolutely nothing, I'll say it again......

 

[Winger for Hire]

War?? What is it good for, absolutely nothing, I'll say it again......

My coworker in the next cube came over to see if I was alright after I slammed my head on the desk after reading that

 

[Coastal Kev]

My coworker in the next cube came over to see if I was alright after I slammed my head on the desk after reading that

 

[Big McLargehuge]

Dickerson developed beyond what the Pirates and most people saw in him, while Decker just stopped developing. Decker was a former sandwich round pick Top 100 prospect who showed more power in the low minors (seasons of 16, 17 (in half a season), and 19) to go along with decent wheels, a solid glove, and a great eye...meanwhile Dickerson looked like he was going to fill out as a AAA caliber pure 1B without the power to break through to the Majors. From our POV it was trading a guy with a higher (but still minor league) floor and a limited ceiling for a guy with a low floor and a high ceiling...it wasn't a head-scratcher of a trade at the time and I think most of us would advocate deals like that more often than not.

105 at bats is a minuscule sample size. Remember when Chris Shelton hit 9 home runs in the first two weeks of the season about a dozen years back? He fell off the map almost as quickly.

Dickerson would never have gotten the 'value' he has now, because he'd be blocked not just in Pittsburgh, but in Indianapolis. The Padres also got extra value out of him by turning a guy that profiled as a pure 1B into an outfielder...but that would have never have happened in Pittsburgh because he isn't athletic enough to play in our outfield (save your snarky McCutchen comments, McCutchen was ungodly athletic when he came up). Any time you trade a prospect for a prospect you risk this happening...but who knows if Dickerson will even keep this up once a book is written about him.

And things change...at the time of the deal 4th outfielder was a far bigger near-future need than 1B.

 

[td_ice]

I guess Bell's recent struggles aren't just in the field. Only hitting .230 since returned to Indy.

 

[Winger for Hire]

I guess Bell's recent struggles aren't just in the field. Only hitting .230 since returned to Indy.

Shhhhh... the Pirates are clearly keeping a fully polished prospect down because Nutting needs to save about $400.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

But that 4 plate appearances sample size

Alright, getting close to 1,000. Time for a new thread.