sovietsanta87
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Pitching Skenes in AAA would be like the Penguins starting Crosby in WBS his rookie season so he could work on faceoffs.
65 pitches today. Next step is probably 75 then 85-90 then the show
Pitching Skenes in AAA would be like the Penguins starting Crosby in WBS his rookie season so he could work on faceoffs.
Pitching Skenes in AAA would be like the Penguins starting Crosby in WBS his rookie season so he could work on faceoffs.
That date has passed. At this point the only benefit to keeping him in AAA is Super 2.If it bought them a year longer until UFA and on an entry-level deal, they would have done it.
That date has passed. At this point the only benefit to keeping him in AAA is Super 2.
The "issue" here is that he's only going to throw so many pitches this year and wasting any of them in AAA is just that, wasting them. I accept the argument that one wants the extra year of control, but that date has come and gone, and he's gaining absolutely nothing by blowing away a bunch of overmatched minor league hitters. If the idea is to "stretch him out," as DJ outlined, there's absolutely no reason he can't be throwing 3-4 innings here in a piggyback role. Oh, and there's also the fact this pitching staff is in some disarray with Gonzales hurt and the bullpen being a tire fire - if they are at all serious about competing for a playoff spot, the finite innings he will pitch in 2024 will be more useful here than in Indy. To each his own, I guess.He'll be up at some point in May after he gets stretched out a bit more, I don't see the issue here.
So why is he only at 60 pitches anyway? He started spring training at the same time as everyone else. We're two months in and he's only "stretched out" to 60 pitches? The idea that he would somehow be traumatized if and when some major leaguers have success against him is silly - you can learn at the major league level too, and striking out 21 guys per 9 IP in the AAA is not helping you learn anything.He at most sees a lineup 1.25 times since he is maybe going 3.1 or 3.2 innings. The truer tests will be when he goes through a lineup 2+ times and he isn't getting there at 60 pitches. I'm conservative so I'd rather see him do that at AAA than try to do that for the first time in the majors and potentially get hammered by batters who sit on the fastball.
I think it would be fun to platoon jones and skenes 4 innings each
Just an entire game of slightly different heaters burning batters
Video game shit
I think it has been way too slow on the Pirates part for him to still be at 60 pitches. They are acting as if he didn't pitch in spring training. Skenes has faced 9/11/13/14 batters in each of his starts (I can't quickly find his pitch totals). Contrast that with Chandler, 15/14/21 batters in his 3 starts or even Jack Leiter in his minor starts, 17/16/24. The only two explanations I can think of is they have him on a very slow ramp up schedule or they are being very mindful of a hard cap on innings pitched/batters they have for him for the year. Either way, they are being way more conservative than I would like to see. I still am adamant that he needs to start going through the lineup multiple times before getting promoted.
Eh, I don't know that "slow ramp up" helps with preventing injury. If it does, why are they risking Jones' health by having him throw 90 pitches in early April?He likely has a cap of inning around 150 (maybe 160) if they would be in the hunt down the stretch.
At 30 starts thats 5 innings per with 10 break glass in case of emergencyinnings in reserve.
If they slow play the IP they can bank innings for use down the stretch/in the playoffs if everything goes right.
Plus the obvious, in which slow ramp ip show help with preventing injury.
Sure minor league inning count. But if hes a major league starter theres no way he can pitch only 3 innings per start and not decimate the bullpen. You can do that in the minors.Eh, I don't know that "slow ramp up" helps with preventing injury. If it does, why are they risking Jones' health by having him throw 90 pitches in early April?
I don't think anyone really knows how to prevent arm injuries or else that's what everyone would do, but the explosion in the number has "coincided" with the focus on spin rate and velocity while starters go far less deep into games. You don't want guys throwing 120 pitches or anything, but I think having Skenes throw 60 pitches at 100+ with max spin rate is far more likely to do harm than having him throw 90-100 paced pitches.
And again, innings are innings. He can be "ramping up" here following Falter or Priester or whatever. If he has a cap, which I would agree he does, minor league innings both count toward it and add no value to the ML team.
The "issue" here is that he's only going to throw so many pitches this year and wasting any of them in AAA is just that, wasting them. I accept the argument that one wants the extra year of control, but that date has come and gone, and he's gaining absolutely nothing by blowing away a bunch of overmatched minor league hitters. If the idea is to "stretch him out," as DJ outlined, there's absolutely no reason he can't be throwing 3-4 innings here in a piggyback role. Oh, and there's also the fact this pitching staff is in some disarray with Gonzales hurt and the bullpen being a tire fire - if they are at all serious about competing for a playoff spot, the finite innings he will pitch in 2024 will be more useful here than in Indy. To each his own, I guess.
He could be getting stretched out here and not wasting his arm in meaningless games.He'll be up at some point in May after he gets stretched out a bit more, I don't see the issue here.