Signing(s): Raiders hire Dave Ziegler as GM & Josh McDaniels as head coach

[Hasbro]

What do you mean brought... Denver was already stained.

Or are we forgetting that they got caught breaking cap rules in the Elway Superbowl years. Costing them picks and $2m in fines

He spent his Broncos coaching tenure still up Belichicks ass as well. He called him for advice on everything. He was Al Bianchi to Belichick's Angelo Buono.

The other big problem, he treated any incumbent like crap and drove as many out as he could to replace them with cronies.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

He did seem to have grown up from his last stint as HC. He was what, early 30s? Think thats too young for most people. Sean McVay is the exception, not the rule.

 

[EpochLink]

He did seem to have grown up from his last stint as HC. He was what, early 30s? Think thats too young for most people. Sean McVay is the exception, not the rule.

He was 33 when he went to Denver, now he’s 45.
Usually the first got arounds are terrible, the second or 3 act can be established.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

He was 33 when he went to Denver, now he’s 45.
Usually the first got arounds are terrible, the second or 3 act can be established.

His first time was so ridiculous the second time cannot be much better.

Coaching Tom Brady is more of Brady adding lines to McDaniels' resume then McDaniels being a guru of offense scheme or picking talent, of which he was extremely deficient in the picking QB talent part. Cassel was no superstar, Orton was a bad QB, and Tebow...

 

[Hasbro]

He was 33 when he went to Denver, now he’s 45.
Usually the first got arounds are terrible, the second or 3 act can be established.

That’s what the Colts thought.

But the Raiders should be okay if they have stable management to guide him.

 

[EpochLink]

That’s what the Colts thought.

But the Raiders should be okay if they have stable management to guide him.

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We are stuck with Mark Davis until his ass sells the team or he bites the dust.

So the Raiders are stuck with him.

 

[Hasbro]

We are stuck with Mark Davis until his ass sells the team or he bites the dust.

So the Raiders are stuck with him.

You can understand my cliched hinder about the Broncos sale. Don’t want the next Snyder.

 

[EpochLink]

You can understand my cliched hinder about the Broncos sale. Don’t want the next Snyder.

Or we can all be the Washington Commanders.
Dan Snyder has 100 pages of dirt on every NFL owner he won’t sell the damn team.

 

[Voight]

Yep. The Raiders did something much stupider. Whatever happens with the Broncos I can have a laugh at the Raiders ineptitude.

Nepotism is on the table here too. McDaniels hired his little brother off a high school staff to be QB coach.

Nepotism is league wide. So this shouldn't be shocking, nor a strike against him.

What do you mean brought... Denver was already stained.

Or are we forgetting that they got caught breaking cap rules in the Elway Superbowl years. Costing them picks and $2m in fines

Please.... Denver has been a perfect franchise their entire existence except for McDaniels tenure there

 

[Hasbro]

Nepotism is league wide. So this shouldn't be shocking, nor a strike against him.

It absolutely should and was. Their dad used the nepotism route to do what he did for Josh, which was get him on a college staff. Coming off a year of purging anyone who preceded him stocking that post with someone so inexperienced was exceptionally tone deaf. In the interim Ben hasn’t advanced much in the coaching world.

 

[Voight]

It absolutely should and was. Their dad used the nepotism route to do what he did for Josh, which was get him on a college staff. Coming off a year of purging anyone who preceded him stocking that post with someone so inexperienced was exceptionally tone deaf. In the interim Ben hasn’t advanced much in the coaching world.

A large portion of coaches in the league got to where they are because of nepotism. Do you think Shanahan would have advanced so quickly if his last name as Jenkins? Ditto for McVay and countless others.

Really, its a mix of nepotism and cronyism. Lots of former players end up with coordinator jobs faster than you or I would.

 

[Hasbro]

A large portion of coaches in the league got to where they are because of nepotism. Do you think Shanahan would have advanced so quickly if his last name as Jenkins? Ditto for McVay and countless others.

Really, its a mix of nepotism and cronyism. Lots of former players end up with coordinator jobs faster than you or I would.

And Mike called in a favor and got Kyle an assistant job on another team, which is how McDaniels should have gone about it rather than jump him into an assistant spot in his staff. Ben really hasn’t gone beyond those offensive assistant jobs anywhere in the NFL.

This is also when he created a divide on the team that had killed morale.

And if everyone else jumped off a bridge…

 

[BKIslandersFan]

His first time was so ridiculous the second time cannot be much better.

Coaching Tom Brady is more of Brady adding lines to McDaniels' resume then McDaniels being a guru of offense scheme or picking talent, of which he was extremely deficient in the picking QB talent part. Cassel was no superstar, Orton was a bad QB, and Tebow...

Yea drafting Tebow was… bad.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

A large portion of coaches in the league got to where they are because of nepotism. Do you think Shanahan would have advanced so quickly if his last name as Jenkins? Ditto for McVay and countless others.

Really, its a mix of nepotism and cronyism. Lots of former players end up with coordinator jobs faster than you or I would.

Shanahan might have shaved off a few years in the college ranks, but it seems pretty clear that people around him knew he inherited most of his daddy's talents. Given that actual offensively-gifted coordinators are rare, people would have been calling for his services.