I doubt we could fall further in the standings than Edmonton, Calgary, or Buffalo so if we do wind up without a seat after the music ends then I'll be crossing my fingers the lottery could bump us up another few spots.
Race to the bottom - Rebuild thread #2.
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thewave
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hotpaws
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I think the team that wins the lottery gets the first pick under the new CBA .
Right, but I'd ditch the coach before I ditched either one of them. I still think Gardiner could explode offensively under a different coach. Take a look at the way he produced as his confidence grew in his first season. What do you think?
thewave
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Of the organization I smart this team loses Carlyle after tonight and gets a new coach and they start getting to work then take a break during the Olympics and get back at it.
They won't though unless the fans in Toronto go ape **** and start putting pressure on Bell and Rogers.
The lottery befuddles me. If we wind up 17th-20th could we potentially move up another ~5 spots? And if so what are the odds? I thought I remembered reading that the odds won't be so top heavy anymore but I'm not sure. Basically that last place teams won't have such great odds for the #1 spot and that it'll be spread out a little more.
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From my understanding every non playoff team can now jump up to first overall if they win the lottery as opposed to just moving up a few spots as before and that why the 30th place teams odds were much higher under the previous CBA .
You're right on the draft lottery.
Here's an article with the odds by pick
www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=658503
As of now, Leafs are slated to draft 9th in the draft.
If Leafs lose in regulation, and if Nashville wins tonight in any fashion against Minnesota; Leafs pick escalates to 8th.
If Leafs lose in regulation, and if Nashville wins tonight in any fashion against Minnesota; Leafs pick escalates to 8th.
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Love that chart. In back-to-back years Florida had the picks that could have netted them Fleury and Nash - and they dealt both.
To be fair, Fleury hasn't been anything spectacular at the NHL level and they still had Luongo at that point.
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Yeah, Fleury. What a bust. He had nothing to do with getting Pittsburgh to the Finals and then winning the Stanley Cup the next year...
Other than that year, and yes he was amazing that year, he's been crap ever since IMO.
I havent seem him have a solid post-season in years, and I've never found him to be really hard to score on, he's always screamed average to me and often times Pittsburgh just outscores the opposition.
I dont see them winning another cup with him in net.
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You realize Fleury got Pittsburgh to the Finals in two straight years right?
No doubt he has struggled in the playoffs in recent years, but ask any GM if he could draft a goalie that would get his team to two straight Stanley Cup Finals and keep his team near the top of his Conference every single year, I'm pretty sure all 30 would take that deal.
I never said the team wouldn't be better off with Seguin and Hamilton. I actually hate the trade and I question what Burke was thinking. I just don't think it is some egregious move that crippled the franchise for the next decade. As I said, Seguin basically seems like a center version of Kessel.
We don't know exactly when the OTPP was looking to sell, but there were rumours of it for a while. From the reports, Peddie hired the rookie GM's that he could control for both teams, but then when they did a bad job, Tannenbaum went above him and tried to hire more experienced GM's.
He first brought in Colangelo who brought immediate success. Then he tried to bring in Scotty Bowman for the Leafs, but when Bowman said the whole thing needed to be torn down and slowly rebuilt, he was essentially told to get lost.
The Leafs then went and poached Burke from Anaheim. I don't know if they would have been happy with any established GM (i.e. Holland, Rutherford), but given the evidence it seems like they were looking for somebody to get the team competitive quickly.
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Seriously Leaf Fans HAVE been patient.
Not much was said during the 5 straight bottom 10 finishes, believing Burke was building a winner.
We've sat through 5 straight years of tanking and came out with an older than average core.
Now that prime aged core is a gamble to even make the playoffs.
It makes me laugh when people say Leaf fans couldn't handle a rebuild. We've handled one and got none of the shiny new toys to go with it.
Not much was said during the 5 straight bottom 10 finishes, believing Burke was building a winner.
We've sat through 5 straight years of tanking and came out with an older than average core.
Now that prime aged core is a gamble to even make the playoffs.
It makes me laugh when people say Leaf fans couldn't handle a rebuild. We've handled one and got none of the shiny new toys to go with it.
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