Confirmed with Link: Qualifying Offers - Stuart Percy, Sam Carrick Non-Tendered; Leivo Qualified

[Cokenfries]

Burke was terrible at drafting. Terrible.

Yep terrible ... Drafted terrible players like Sedins, Kesler, Pronger, Morgan Reilly, Kadri

 

[buttman*]

Yep terrible ... Drafted terrible players like Sedins, Kesler, Pronger, Morgan Reilly, Kadri

I was reffering to his Leaf tenure. If all you have to show for all those picks is Reilly and Kadri that is bad. That's Edmonton bad. Anyone should be getting a player in the top 5-10 of the draft.

The proof is in the pudding -- so many misses. Jamie Devane in the third. He was just ******** about drafted toughness.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I was reffering to his Leaf tenure. If all you have to show for all those picks is Reilly and Kadri that is bad. That's Edmonton bad. Anyone should be getting a player in the top 5-10 of the draft.

The proof is in the pudding -- so many misses. Jamie Devane in the third. He was just ******** about drafted toughness.

Bad drafting falls on scouts way more then the GM.

GM's might scout the upper end of the draft but have no time to know the entire draft well enough to not let scouts make the decisions.

Burke's bad draft record here as GM falls on his scouts. All trades/FA signings are on Burkie though.

 

[Johny Drama]

Saad and Jenner were both rated in the first round.

Percy was rated in the second.

They traded up to get Biggs.

Burke was terrible at drafting. Terrible.

I remember wanting Namestnikov and Puempel with the 2 picks at the time.
A lot of players in that draft have actually turned out better than expected, especially bottom of the first and top the 2nd.

Biggs was actually rated pretty high, but kept falling as season wore on. Percy had a good memorial cup and that seemed to move him up the ranking. Bottom line, we should have never traded up to get these players. Looked a bad move at the time, looks worse now.

 

[buttman*]

Bad drafting falls on scouts way more then the GM.

GM's might scout the upper end of the draft but have no time to know the entire draft well enough to not let scouts make the decisions.

Burke's bad draft record here as GM falls on his scouts. All trades/FA signings are on Burkie though.

In this group -- yes. In Burke's era -- I don't buy that I will give him this -- he wanted Biggs but was against trading up for him.

 

[Gabriel426]

Bad drafting falls on scouts way more then the GM.

GM's might scout the upper end of the draft but have no time to know the entire draft well enough to not let scouts make the decisions.

Burke's bad draft record here as GM falls on his scouts. All trades/FA signings are on Burkie though.

But who set guidelines and who makes the final decision?
Maybe his scouts said Player X is better but Burke prefers Player Y.

 

[Jack Bauer]

But who set guidelines and who makes the final decision?
Maybe his scouts said Player X is better but Burke prefers Player Y.

And maybe his scouts said Biggs ceiling is a 2nd line power forward.

Drafting falls on the scouts, especially outside of the 5-10. GM's just don't see enough players to make those calls without huge input from their scouts.

His scouts were as much if not more to blame.

 

[Johny Drama]

Bad drafting falls on scouts way more then the GM.

GM's might scout the upper end of the draft but have no time to know the entire draft well enough to not let scouts make the decisions.

Burke's bad draft record here as GM falls on his scouts. All trades/FA signings are on Burkie though.

Be interesting to find out how much influence a GM has in the draft. Obviously scouts have the biggest say in who gets picked etc, but Im sure the GM establishes the objectives in the draft in what type of traits the club values the most.

 

[fahad203]

Yep terrible ... Drafted terrible players like Sedins, Kesler, Pronger, Morgan Reilly, Kadri

Sedins were top 2 picks
Kesler # 23
Pronger # 2
Morgan # 5
Kadri#7

FYI, he picked Kesler over Perry, Weber and Bergeron on a very deep draft, considered by many to be the best and deepest.

 

[TheJet11]

Kesler was a quality player, so it's not like he totally missed on taht pick... but a lot of teams also passed on Perry/Weber/Bergeron up to that point.

Hands down the biggest steal of that draft was Pavelski in the 7th round.... although i guess Byfuglien in the 8th is pretty damn good too!

 

[ForSpareParts*]

I was reffering to his Leaf tenure. If all you have to show for all those picks is Reilly and Kadri that is bad. That's Edmonton bad. Anyone should be getting a player in the top 5-10 of the draft.

The proof is in the pudding -- so many misses. Jamie Devane in the third. He was just ******** about drafted toughness.

What would you have done with the 7th overall pick in the 2009 draft?

 

[Jack Bauer]

What would you have done with the 7th overall pick in the 2009 draft?

Wrong answer: A player name

Right answer: Stick it to Bryan Murray

 

[tooncesmeow]

I remember wanting Namestnikov and Puempel with the 2 picks at the time.
A lot of players in that draft have actually turned out better than expected, especially bottom of the first and top the 2nd.

Biggs was actually rated pretty high, but kept falling as season wore on. Percy had a good memorial cup and that seemed to move him up the ranking. Bottom line, we should have never traded up to get these players. Looked a bad move at the time, looks worse now.

This never happened. At the time, the big hype around Biggs was how he looked like the most likely Power Forward coming up, while Saad looked like a shutdown forward/PK specialist. Also multiple sites gave the Leafs a favorable review since Stuart Percy looked like smart two way Defensemen. The narrative at the time wasn't "Biggs is going to be a great guy right now." it was "The Leafs are adapting the Detroit model and letting prospects gather up all the experience they need and Biggs in 4-5 years will be a good NHL addition after he gets proper seasoning."

For what it's worth I wanted Schiefele (who was supposed to be a late 1st rounder) and Rattie/Jenner.

BleacherReport:
"Grade: A+
Getting the 22nd pick from Anaheim for the 30th and 39th, not the 30th and 25th, is a win for the Maple Leafs in its own right. Getting Tyler Biggs, presumably the player they were targeting, with that pick is just as smart as the trade. Biggs can beat people up and, at times, light them up, too, from the right wing position as he sports decent hands as well.To add to their successes is the 25th choice, Stuart Percy, one of the most one-sided defensemen of the first round but also one of the most defensively solid ones. This is a player that deserves trust and we could see turning out to be a huge late-night grab for the Leafs."

Hockey Writers:
"Toronto Maple Leafs – Brian Burke traded up, just like he said he would. Only fans that were expecting a top ten pick, should never have expected that. Tyler Biggs was taken with the first selection, and he is absolutely a Burke pick. He needs to hone his offensive skills but he does everything else very well. Stuart Percy has been labeled as a huge sleeper for months, but Toronto didn’t take a nap on him. The OHL defenseman will be a fan favorite for years."

NationalPost:
"TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
Grade A
Seidel Says “Biggs is a Brian Burke style player and has been described as Milan Lucic light because of his big hits and willingness to drop the gloves. The Leafs still had another first round pick and they selected the local star defenceman, Stuart Percy from the Mississauga St. Michaels Majors who may end up being the smartest defenceman in the entire draft and just needs to add weight …"

 

[Hurin]

Am I the only one completely mystified as to why Corrado was qualified? Are we that desperate for RHD? He was pretty awful last year when he was with the big club IMO. Seems like a waste of a contract spot.

If it was a choice to keep one of Percy or Corrado, I would rather they had kept Percy one more year with the Marlies to see if he can stay healthy and put together a good season and help solidify the Marlies D (especially considering Corrado couldn't even crack the Marlies D at times).

 

[buttman*]

What would you have done with the 7th overall pick in the 2009 draft?

So you are trying to boil Burke's entire drafting tenure here down to 1 pick? Sorry, I'm not going to entertain that thought. Burke's history is more than 2 picks. Even JFJr hit on some mid round picks. He also didn't have the luxury of the top 10 like Burke.

 

[Moncherry]

Am I the only one completely mystified as to why Corrado was qualified? Are we that desperate for RHD? He was pretty awful last year when he was with the big club IMO. Seems like a waste of a contract spot.

If it was a choice to keep one of Percy or Corrado, I would rather they had kept Percy one more year with the Marlies to see if he can stay healthy and put together a good season and help solidify the Marlies D (especially considering Corrado couldn't even crack the Marlies D at times).

What were you watching, he was pretty good when he was up last year and he's one of the best defence prospects we have. Easily better than Percy.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Am I the only one completely mystified as to why Corrado was qualified? Are we that desperate for RHD? He was pretty awful last year when he was with the big club IMO. Seems like a waste of a contract spot.

If it was a choice to keep one of Percy or Corrado, I would rather they had kept Percy one more year with the Marlies to see if he can stay healthy and put together a good season and help solidify the Marlies D (especially considering Corrado couldn't even crack the Marlies D at times).

Expansion draft. He would fall under the criteria of a player we can expose I believe.

 

[Hurin]

What were you watching, he was pretty good when he was up last year and he's one of the best defence prospects we have. Easily better than Percy.

Perhaps 'awful' is a bit harsh, but I wasn't overly impressed in the games I saw. That being said, I admit I wasn't exactly able to watch every game he played either, especially late in the season, which was the point at which he apparently played a lot better.

Also, I keep forgetting that he and Percy are actually almost the same age. 'One of the best defence prospects we have' is a bit of a stretch. I think Valiev, Dermott, Nielson, and Carrick have more potential (though Dermott and Nielson are 2 years away from pushing their way onto the big club) and Zaitsev projects to be better both now and in the future, though he is a bit of an unknown at the moment.

 

[Smif]

Bad drafting falls on scouts way more then the GM.

GM's might scout the upper end of the draft but have no time to know the entire draft well enough to not let scouts make the decisions.

Burke's bad draft record here as GM falls on his scouts. All trades/FA signings are on Burkie though.

To me, it's quite clear Burke gave orders to his scouts to find players that could be the next Lucic. That to me is on the GM.

 

[Cokenfries]

To me, it's quite clear Burke gave orders to his scouts to find players that could be the next Lucic. That to me is on the GM.

hahaha so what were the orders from Shanny this year when they chose all 10 big body player after Matthews?

 

[Mess]

hahaha so what were the orders from Shanny this year when they chose all 10 big body player after Matthews?

The NHL average size is 6-200lbs and Leafs drafted 8 of 11 players that were NHL average size or larger.

The marching orders as simply as stop focusing on CHL sized players and start on NHL sized ones.

 

[Menzinger]

Yep terrible ... Drafted terrible players like Sedins, Kesler, Pronger, Morgan Reilly, Kadri

He's fine with top ten picks, but beyond the first round his time with the Leafs has produced very few NHLers.

There was good reason why Shanahan fired most of Burke's scouts.

 

[Menzinger]

Be interesting to find out how much influence a GM has in the draft. Obviously scouts have the biggest say in who gets picked etc, but Im sure the GM establishes the objectives in the draft in what type of traits the club values the most.

My take is the GM sets the overall philosophy - ie skill, grit, North Americans vs Euros, maybe even sets positional needs and leave it up to the scouts.

Burke liked North Americans with "grit" and so his scouts mostly sought after those kinds of guys.