Proof Benning Is Not Rebuilding, Just Failing

[PG Canuck]

Picks/Prospects acquired since 2017:
Brendan Lemieux (New)
Anthony DeAngelo
Ryan Lindgren
Yegor Rykov
Brett Howden
Libor Hajek
2017 1st Round Pick
2018 1st Round Pick
Conditional 2nd Round Pick
2018 1st Round Pick
2018 2nd Round Pick
2018 3rd Round Pick
2019 1st Round Pick (New)
Conditional 2019 2nd Round Pick (New)
2019 7th Round Pick
2020 2nd Round Pick (New)
Conditional 2020 3rd Round Pick (New)
2020 7th Round Pick (New)
2020 7th Round Pick (New)
Conditional 2022 4th Round Pick (New)

Picks/Prospects Traded since 2017:
Ryan Graves
2019 4th Round Pick
2019 5th Round Pick (New)
Conditional 7th Round Pick

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Picks/Prospects acquired since 2017:
Madison Bowey (New)
2018 1st Round Pick
2018 3rd Round Pick
2018 5th Round Pick
Conditional 2018 4th Round Pick
2019 2nd Round Pick (New)
2019 2nd Round Pick
2019 5th round pick
Conditional 2019 3rd Round Pick
Conditional 2019 7th Round Pick (New)
Conditional 2020 3rd Round Pick (New)
2021 3rd Round Pick

Picks/Prospects Traded since 2017:
2018 5th Round Pick
Conditional 2018 7th round pick
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Picks/Prospects acquired since 2017:
Jonathan Davidsson (New)
Vitaly Abramov (New)
Jean-Christophe Beaudin (New)
Josh Norris
Rudolfs Balcers
2019 1st Round Pick (New)
2019 1st Round Pick
2019 2nd Round Pick
2019 7th Round Pick
Conditional 2020 1st-Round Pick (New)
2020 2nd Round Pick (New)
2020 3rd Round Pick
2020 6th Round Pick (New)
2020 6th Round Pick (New)
2021 2nd Round Pick (New)
Conditional 2021 1st Round Pick OR 2nd Round Pick
Conditional 2022 1st Round Pick

Picks/Prospects Traded since 2017:
Julius Bergman (New)
2019 6th Round Pick (New)
2020 5th Round Pick (New)


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Picks/Prospects acquired since 2017:
Tyler Motte
Nikolay Goldobin
Jonathan Dahlen
Conditional 4th Round Pick
2019 6th Round Pick (New)
2020 7th Round Pick (New)

Picks/Prospects Traded since 2017:
Jordan Subban
2018 4th Round Pick
2020 7th Round Pick (New)
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*This does not include any teams trading up/down in draft.
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Yeah, this is definitely a "rebuild" alright. The general public are only thinking this is a rebuild because of Pettersson/Horvat/Boeser/Gaudette/etc, but besides Gaudette, they were selected with our OWN draft picks. We will soon be adding Hughes to that list. We only have these players because we have sucked, there is nothing more to it.

This would be a great time for anyone that likes what Benning is doing, or thinks this is even remotely close to a rebuild, to come out of the woodwork and make your case. I've made mine and shown the trades since 2017 prove this isn't a rebuild, it is a failed retool.

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[TruKnyte]

But, he's still learning...or bad luck, or something like that.

 

[UK Canuck]

The fact we have no real assets worth trading is an even bigger indictment on his tenure

 

[Peter10]

Even Gaudette is only there because Gillis traded Raphael Diaz.

 

[MadaCanuckle]

But, he's still learning...or bad luck, or something like that.

... or ... but Gilis!

 

[ArtursSilovsShirt]

Bowey was traded to Detroit, not New York.

Also, Goldobin? Dahlen?

 

[PG Canuck]

Bowey was traded to Detroit, not New York.

Also, Goldobin? Dahlen?

Added and changed Bowey to correct team.

 

[valkynax]

Benning really didn't do anything outside of the bare minimum of a "rebuild".

And he made no attempt to hide how allergic he is to draft picks.

 

[Phenomenon13]

I'm not even sure if Benning could get picks and prospects for guys like Gudbranson, Eriksson, Gagner, etc... even if he tried. His main avenue of getting picks/prospects should be taking on cap dumps like Callahan.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I blame the recent cold weather
The only reason why draft picks and future assets don’t want to come to VAN!!!

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Benning really didn't do anything outside of the bare minimum of a "rebuild".

And he made no attempt to hide how allergic he is to draft picks.

Like I said it before
He knows his job is in jeopardy if this team doesn’t make the playoffs before his current 2 years contract expires.
He doesn’t care about draft picks that can’t play right now, if the draft isn’t in VAN this year, I bet our 2nd and 3rd are gone by now

 

[F A N]

Yeah, this is definitely a "rebuild" alright. The general public are only thinking this is a rebuild because of Pettersson/Horvat/Boeser/Gaudette/etc, but besides Gaudette, they were selected with our OWN draft picks. We will soon be adding Hughes to that list. We only have these players because we have sucked, there is nothing more to it.

Benning has not acquired picks nor have we acquired prospects. He has traded the same amount of picks as he has acquired, while somehow getting worse draft picks as he ended up from a 2018 4th to a 2019 6th.

This would be a great time for anyone that likes what Benning is doing, or thinks this is even remotely close to a rebuild, to come out of the woodwork and make your case. I've made mine and shown the trades since 2017 prove this isn't a rebuild, it is a failed retool.

Well if you're going to include Morgan Klimchuk in there, you should include Leipsic. And if you're going to throw Moutrey in there...

Seriously though. I think you made fair points, although I think the Ottawa example is a terrible (it was basically a bankruptcy type sell-off rather than a strategic rebuild) . I would have liked to see Benning accumulate draft picks but he didn't. In reality, his trade chips since 2017 that he didn't move were Sedins, Edler, Tanev, Sutter, and Gudbranson. Taking the Sedins off the table, Benning could have moved Gudbranson who was on an expiring contract and with interest around the league and this season Edler. I have said this before, from the beginning Benning was not a "rebuild by accumulating draft picks" type of GM and I don't think it has changed. He can probably trade Leivo for a 3rd or 4th right now but he won't.

 

[Siludin]

The fact we have no real assets worth trading is an even bigger indictment on his tenure

The Canucks have assets worth trading, they just got hurt at inopportune times this year. Sutter/Tanev/Edler could all easily have been let go this year.

 

[Bobby Digital]

The Canucks have assets worth trading, they just got hurt at inopportune times this year. Sutter/Tanev/Edler could all easily have been let go this year.

They all should have been moved years ago at peak value. But Benning has zero asset management skills. So here we are.

 

[PG Canuck]

Well if you're going to include Morgan Klimchuk in there, you should include Leipsic. And if you're going to throw Moutrey in there...

Seriously though. I think you made fair points, although I think the Ottawa example is a terrible (it was basically a bankruptcy type sell-off rather than a strategic rebuild) . I would have liked to see Benning accumulate draft picks but he didn't. In reality, his trade chips since 2017 that he didn't move were Sedins, Edler, Tanev, Sutter, and Gudbranson. Taking the Sedins off the table, Benning could have moved Gudbranson who was on an expiring contract and with interest around the league and this season Edler. I have said this before, from the beginning Benning was not a "rebuild by accumulating draft picks" type of GM and I don't think it has changed. He can probably trade Leivo for a 3rd or 4th right now but he won't.

Yeah it's kind of splitting hairs with Klimchuk/Moutrey/Leipsic types, and so I'll just take those useless pieces out. I had Montreal in my original version, but took them out for this update since they aren't really in that window anymore as they have far exceeded expectations and are sitting in the first wildcard spot.

Basically the point is, Benning should've done what the Rangers did, and at the least done what the Wings have done.

 

[UK Canuck]

The Canucks have assets worth trading, they just got hurt at inopportune times this year. Sutter/Tanev/Edler could all easily have been let go this year.

Tanev & Edler have nothing to do with Benning, and Brandon Sutter is going to be paid 4.375m for 2 more years after this one for being often injured and giving you 20 points, we'd have to retain salary on him just to get a 6th round pick

 

[Hockeyphysio]

The idea is the manager is to take his assets and turns them into a surplus.

Instead we have a guy who uses his assists on lesser assists and watches the slowly decay without reaping any dividends. So instead of rebuilding our team we are really in the same position as 5 years ago. Imagine the cap wasnt going up what a disaster we would be

 

[4Twenty]

Everyone who isn't just a team positive polly realizes this isn't a rebuild. But I don't see why this matters now, it never started, why would it now?

 

[UK Canuck]

Ron Hextall was fired before Jim Benning, think about that! Hextall wasn't a good GM, but he's actually built up a very decent prospect pool for Chuck Fletcher to take advantage of

 

[Ainec]

I was just going to post about how the Rangers have acquired more picks in 1 trade deadline than Benning has his whole tenure here (as long as Gillis)

good on you for making this thread

 

[ginner classic]

We have never at any point been rebuilding.

 

[Ninjadude]

Good post and its amazing to see what Benning has done over the last few years. However, I dont think Benning ever said we are in a "rebuild", has he?

What he has done since has gotten here is atrocious. His 1st round picks are 50%, but the latter rounds are decent, in some drafts but he has not acquired any substantial players through trades, only fringe players. His FA signings are meh, nothing to write home about either.

 

[Jyrki21]

Ron Hextall was fired before Jim Benning, think about that! Hextall wasn't a good GM, but he's actually built up a very decent prospect pool for Chuck Fletcher to take advantage of

Mike Gillis was deemed a pariah because he made two rebuilding moves with the goaltenders which were justifiable at the time and look even better in hindsight.

Those continue to be by far the greatest contribution to any semblance of a Canucks' rebuild.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Just simply ridiculous

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Even Gaudette is only there because Gillis traded Raphael Diaz.

Which is just as well, because Gillis would have just squandered it anyway.