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[Richard Gibson]

James O'Brien ‏ @cyclelikesedins 24m24 minutes ago
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I'm not saying that Steve Yzerman was less shrewd, and more a figurehead, in Tampa Bay. Definitely starting to wonder a bit, though.

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[obey86]

Wouldn't be surprised.

I think he's good GM, but the way people were putting him on a pedestal when he was in TB was ridiculous.

 

[Richard Gibson]

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[A II R]

James O'Brien ‏ @cyclelikesedins 24m24 minutes ago
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I'm not saying that Steve Yzerman was less shrewd, and more a figurehead, in Tampa Bay. Definitely starting to wonder a bit, though.

So who was making the shrewd moves? Verbeek? Brisebois? Some combination?

I love that the guy's been on the job for 5 minutes and this is already happening.

 

[Ricelund]

He’s been Detroit’s GM for three months and people are writing off ~10 seasons of work in TB? Insanity.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

This is a fairly garbage take. The Red Wings model going to Tampa was evident pretty much from the time he took over a flaming dumpster fire. He is basically the vision. Him and Vinik built that thing back up after the Hollywood ownership fiasco.

I am not saying the guy that made the tweet is an idiot.... But I have a hard time believing he is intelligent.

Being a GM is a lot trickier than most people think. It is why a lot of us said he couldn't work miracles and that he would likely behave similar to Holland. These are the realities. But creating a winning culture is what Yzerman brought to Tampa. Understating that is a disservice to the job he did down there.

 

[Bandito]

Don't see what the fuss is about. GM of rebuilding team makes rebuilding moves, more at 11.

 

[FireBird71]

Some tool’s opinion

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

So it wasn't Yzerman and wasn't Verbeek (because otherwise it would be a non-issue since they're in Detroit now). Who was it? Brisebois from behind the scenes?

Yzerman hasn't done anything that we know to be a bad move. I don't see how we can judge his performance like this. Not yet. It just sounds like people with a different philosophy on how the team should be run mouthing off like they've got all the answers. And unfortunately for all of us, they don't know that they don't know.

 

[lidstromiscool]

Can we please stop posting random tweets from 'nobodies' on twitter? It's not even worth talking about this

 

[Frk It]

What’s this thread supposed to be about...?

 

[Bench]

What’s this thread supposed to be about...?

Some blogger with 3,000 followers has a hot take. What, that's not news to you? If you doubt this guy's credentials, just take a look at the link he has in his Twitter bio:
https://www.rotoworld.com/archives/nhl/289/hockey-daily-dose

Spoiler alert: His takes are so spicy his own bio link leads to a 404 page.

 

[Frk It]

Some blogger with 3,000 followers has a hot take. What, that's not news to you? If you doubt this guy's credentials, just take a look at the link he has in his Twitter bio:
https://www.rotoworld.com/archives/nhl/289/hockey-daily-dose

Spoiler alert: His takes are so spicy his own bio link leads to a 404 page.

I was genuinely confused if this was a report or just someone’s thoughts.

One thing I will say is I think most people would be surprised how collaborative front offices are.

 

[ThankGord]

lock it up

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

What’s this thread supposed to be about...?

I couldn't tell if he was responding to some other comment or just offering stream of consciousness babble

 

[Bench]

One thing I will say is I think most people would be surprised how collaborative front offices are.

Yeah... but that's harder to distill into hot takes. Nuance is the enemy of the bait and click.

 

[Bondurant]

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Shut her down. This is the dumbest thread we’ve had in a while.

 

[deca guard]

lock it up

how about additionally suspend op for 30 days

 

[Outl4w]

So it wasn't Yzerman and wasn't Verbeek (because otherwise it would be a non-issue since they're in Detroit now). Who was it? Brisebois from behind the scenes?

Yzerman hasn't done anything that we know to be a bad move. I don't see how we can judge his performance like this. Not yet. It just sounds like people with a different philosophy on how the team should be run mouthing off like they've got all the answers. And unfortunately for all of us, they don't know that they don't know.

Ryan Callahan and Carle contracts were beyond terrible. I am not saying it is his fault, but they both really were bad deals and had the possibility to be bad from the start. He did a great job though at keeping the core TBL players together and getting the stars to sign below average. It isn't the tax law nonsense because there are other markets that are state income tax free that can't sign superstars for below market average. He was the vision and the man behind the winning culture/identity. I grew up a Wings fan, but switched to the Lightning they were created.

 

[deca guard]

maybe lets change it from prohockeytalk to prohockeytroll

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Ryan Callahan and Carle contracts were beyond terrible. I am not saying it is his fault, but they both really were bad deals and had the possibility to be bad from the start. He did a great job though at keeping the core TBL players together and getting the stars to sign below average. It isn't the tax law nonsense because there are other markets that are state income tax free that can't sign superstars for below market average. He was the vision and the man behind the winning culture/identity. I grew up a Wings fan, but switched to the Lightning they were created.

And? He had Hedman, Stamkos, Kucherov, etc. there on fabulous deals.
He traded Cory Conacher (aka worthless trash) for a stud goalie in Ben Bishop
Corrected the "incorrect move" of drafting Jonathan Drouin by trading him for Sergachev when damn near every other GM would have peaced out and dealt Drouin for a pittance.

Steve Yzerman isn't a god as a GM. He is a fantastic executive though. Most of what he's really really good at is working with solid assets and right now he really doesn't have many that he can play around with on this Wings roster. You can't make chicken salad out of the burnt ends of a beef roast.

 

[Outl4w]

The one problem with Yzerman though none of his high draft picks amounted to anything.

 

[RedMenace]

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

I'd be more interested in how much wood Dale Hawerchuk could chuck... anyone got some insider info or a hot take on that?

 

[Oddbob]

I can sum this thread up quite nicely........