I'm curious
What was our culture before Martin got here and after iyo
Martin unleashed himself in the first camp practice barking away at the Kost broz and Lats.
He said he had never seen such a poorly structured and out of shape group of guys.
I'm curious
What was our culture before Martin got here and after iyo
\Martin unleashed himself in the first camp practice barking away at the Kost broz and Lats.
He said he had never seen such a poorly structured and out of shape group of guys.
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Thanks, I don't really remember that period. That was the Ribeiro era right?
If Price isn't or wasn't our best player on the ice last season, he was simply not earning his salary. Price with a, say, .915 sv%, is not doing his job.
Not sure I see your point. If Price is not doing his job with a .915 sv% costing the Habs games, does it suddenly mean MT is not doing his job too?
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Thanks, I don't really remember that period. That was the Ribeiro era right?
Vigneault then was not as good a coach as Vigneault today. He was still learning his craft at the NHL level, and frankly he had garbage rosters to work with here. I'd almost like to re-watch some of those games with those points in mind and reevaluate him; I wasn't a fan of him when he was here. Nor Julien, but you might be able to make similar points (it was somewhat unjust that he got fired for realizing that Jose Theodore had lost it).Vigneault is really the only good coach I can think of since Demers.
I just remember thinking that Vigneault did the best he could with a bad group. I guess Julien was in a similar situation but the other coaches we've had have been mostly bad.Vigneault then was not as good a coach as Vigneault today. He was still learning his craft at the NHL level, and frankly he had garbage rosters to work with here. I'd almost like to re-watch some of those games with those points in mind and reevaluate him; I wasn't a fan of him when he was here. Nor Julien, but you might be able to make similar points (it was somewhat unjust that he got fired for realizing that Jose Theodore had lost it).
Therrien can't hold a candle to either of them today. Vigneault made him look like a total chump during the ECF.
I do worry about the dynamic between he & PK this year. Both have fresh contracts, so both in theory have the full confidence of the organization to continue in their roles. If MT continues his moronic treatment of PK this season though, Bergevin or even Molson himself will have to step in and get him to smarten the hell up. Or, preferably, fire his ass, but frankly that's not gonna happen this year.There's just no way to justify the idiocy of MT last season. He was off the charts bad. Stupid roster management, terrible system, throwing players under the bus... basically everything you can do wrong as a coach he was the poster boy for. I really hope he's better this season - he can't be any worse.
The Habs made it because their goalie stood on his head. We couldn't score, we couldn't defend and we were outplayed all year.
So AGAIN, why are you telling us to credit the coach?
I expected the Habs to be a playoff team. Most people here did because we showed that we have the talent to score back in 2013. So I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
Do we beat the Bruins without Price standing on his head? No.
In the playoffs I think we actually played pretty well for the most part btw. MT seemed to step away from the ridiculous dump and chase that he had in the regular season. But again, we don't even make it past Boston if Price isn't insanely good in that series, esp early on.
Sure. But most don't have to rely on it the way we did. Most top teams can score and defend. That's because they have good rosters and a coach who knows what he's doing. We had a good roster and a coach who was an idiot. That's why we were outshot most of the time.
You still haven't told us what MT has done to warrant credit. You keep pointing at the standings and the conference finish.
Why should we credit MT and not Price? Tell us.
Was it the bottom third in shots that has you excited?
Bottom third in goals?
Bottom third in shots against?
Below average PP from a team that has two of the best QBs in the game?
Was it the regression of play from almost every player on the roster?
Tell us. What the **** did MT do to warrant any kind of credit last season? We gave up tons of scoring opps and didn't have many for ourselves. Our goalie stepped up and saved the day. Hence why our GA was top five in the league.
Yep, looking at the standings is good enough for you. That's why you aren't being taken seriously here. You've done zero to tell us why MT deserves credit for this.
We won despite him, not because of him.
But you aren't able to articulate how we got the results we did. And you aren't able to tell us why the coach deserves credit for those results.Results>>>>Everything else
But you aren't able to articulate how we got the results we did. And you aren't able to tell us why the coach deserves credit for those results.
Ironic that you would call others "myopic" while writing the posts that you have in this thread.
We won in spite of our coach, not because of him. You've done absolutely nothing to show us otherwise.I don't have to...
I don't have to...
Nor Julien, but you might be able to make similar points (it was somewhat unjust that he got fired for realizing that Jose Theodore had lost it).
Theodore was an inconsistent mess all season and Julien was increasingly leaning on Huet. He gave Theodore a 5-game stint after Christmas to see if Theodore had anything left; Theodore lost 4 of the 5 and stunk the joint out in the last 3. Julien went back to Huet for 2 in a row and it felt like he'd had enough of Theodore's play; then Gainey axed him, put Theodore back in net, and Theodore rebounded... for a week. Then he fell apart completely and by the end of the month Gainey had seen enough. Theodore was shipped to Colorado and Huet was the new #1.I remember it that Julien kept playing Theo even though he sucked and Gainey wanted him to play Huet. I guess they had a big arguement over it and Gainey fired Julien after. Maybe I am wrong though.
To get back to the OP: would you be ready to overpay for Evgeni Malkin? Then have a prime player in every position?
Pacioretty, Desharnais, Eller and Beaulieu?
Then we sign Ray Whitney 1 year
Whitney - Malkin - Parenteau
Bourque - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Sekac
Weise - Malhotra - Prust
Moen
Markov - Subban
Emelin - Gilbert
Tinordi - Weaver
Price
I'm not saying Pens would do it.. but let's say a big time center get available, would you be ready to pay a heifty price?
We won in spite of our coach, not because of him. You've done absolutely nothing to show us otherwise.
We had a good roster and yet we were below average across the board except goaltending. Until you can explain why we should credit the coach for this, you aren't going to be taken seriously.
If we won, in spite of our coach, why did the team turn on the jets whenever MT said to? Why did they protect all those 3rd period leads and when they blew it, why did they go to war for him to win it back.
This team played their butts out for the coach and did what he said when he said to.
MT should've had them turn on the jets a lot more than he did then... Maybe then we might've actually been able to score.If we won, in spite of our coach, why did the team turn on the jets whenever MT said to? Why did they protect all those 3rd period leads and when they blew it, why did they go to war for him to win it back.
This team played their butts out for the coach and did what he said when he said to.