GDT: Preseason Hockey! New Jersey Devils @ New York Islanders, 7:00 PM

[TBF1972]

Islander fans are paying money to see this line-up.

jersey fan 12 as well

I gasped in horror after seeing McLeod penciled in as 2C.

they might switch it with the fourth line, where our most skilled forw ... skater plays.

 

[My3Sons]

He hasn’t earned a spot. No production. Zero

To be fair you can say that about a lot of guys on the team. Other than Tatar and Hughes and maybe Hamilton has anyone really looked good on offense? They have won some low scoring games. At least the goaltending looks improved. That's significant if it isn't a mirage.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

Islander fans are paying money to see this line-up.

 

[JimEIV]

Little harsh , he had looked good and has had bad luck finishing .

You ever notice how often we say that about players around here...How does the saying go? If it wasn't for back luck we'd have no luck at all

Holtz was very good in one game...I do think he has tailed off since. He still seems engaged and working but just not as effective as he did earlier in the preseason.

 

[HersheyBob27]

To be fair you can say that about a lot of guys on the team. Other than Tatar and Hughes and maybe Hamilton has anyone really looked good on offense? They have won some low scoring games. At least the goaltending looks improved. That's significant if it isn't a mirage.

We are talking about a player that has zero NHL goals. Not comparing his preseason to players proven at the NHL level at all

 

[SJinNewJersey]

please delete

 

[Triumph]

You ever notice how often we say that about players around here...How does the saying go? If it wasn't for back luck we'd have no luck at all

Holtz was very good in one game...I do think he has tailed off since. He still seems engaged and working but just not as effective as he did earlier in the preseason.

It's not something that was said a lot last season because the Devils were an average finishing team. It's something that was said about Holtz in his first stint in the AHL and then, oh wow, he actually was good at finishing last season.

 

[Saugus]

I would like to see Holtz score tonight in an impressive fashion to get that monkey off his back.

I'd also like to see Zetterlund continue to do Zetterlund things.

Would go a long way to cementing their spots on the roster.

 

[JimEIV]

It's not something that was said a lot last season because the Devils were an average finishing team. It's something that was said about Holtz in his first stint in the AHL and then, oh wow, he actually was good at finishing last season.

In regards to Holtz in the AHL...Well yeah 10 games...you can have bad luck...But it's not unusual around here to hear that excuse for someone's entire season....Or 2

It's Snake bitten in New Zealand

 

[RangerDoggo]

Little harsh , he had looked good and has had bad luck finishing .

He'll fit right in.

 

[Triumph]

In regards to Holtz in the AHL...Well yeah 10 games...you can have bad luck...But it's not unusual around here to hear that excuse for someone's entire season....Or 2

Let's follow this logic train, shall we? HersheyBob, projecting his feelings on to management, thinks Holtz is going to be sent down because he hasn't produced. Someone else comes in and says he's had bad luck. You say yeah how often is that used as an excuse? I say bad luck is real, including in Holtz's own recent past, you say 'oh sure in 10 games you can have bad luck'. Do you see how you're making the point you claim to be arguing against?

Bad luck can last more than a season. Good luck can too, people seldom talk about that around here, but it was certainly bandied about after Zacha's supposed breakthrough season in 2021.

 

[My3Sons]

We are talking about a player that has zero NHL goals. Not comparing his preseason to players proven at the NHL level at all

In the rookie or prospect group he’s not looking out of place. I just haven’t seen any of the young players separate themselves from the pack yet. They’ve all been sort of meh for one reason or another.

 

[JimEIV]

Let's follow this logic train, shall we? HersheyBob, projecting his feelings on to management, thinks Holtz is going to be sent down because he hasn't produced. Someone else comes in and says he's had bad luck. You say yeah how often is that used as an excuse? I say bad luck is real, including in Holtz's own recent past, you say 'oh sure in 10 games you can have bad luck'. Do you see how you're making the point you claim to be arguing against?

Bad luck can last more than a season. Good luck can too, people seldom talk about that around here, but it was certainly bandied about after Zacha's supposed breakthrough season in 2021.

I'll stop you short...There is nothing logical about interjecting someone else's conversation into anything I said.

 

[Triumph]

I'll stop you short...There is nothing logical about interjecting someone else's conversation into anything I said.

So you didn't read anyone else's post and glommed on to a single sentence to make a blinkingly obvious point. Got it.

 

[JimEIV]

So you didn't read anyone else's post and glommed on to a single sentence to make a blinkingly obvious point. Got it.

I typically only make obvious points as to not have to deal with nonsense you are trying to conjure up right now.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

In the rookie or prospect group he’s not looking out of place. I just haven’t seen any of the young players separate themselves from the pack yet. They’ve all been sort of meh for one reason or another.

The lineups have been really all over the place. Games have been like watching the rookie scrimmages where there’s no chemistry and the worst players are giving the hardest effort (like tatar ).

Production doesn’t matter much to me in preseason, i just wanna see the players getting chances and not looking lost. Zetterlund and Holtz have passed with flying colors, Boqvist much less so.

 

[My3Sons]

The lineups have been really all over the place. Games have been like watching the rookie scrimmages where there’s no chemistry and the worst players are giving the hardest effort (like tatar ).

Production doesn’t matter much to me in preseason, i just wanna see the players getting chances and not looking lost. Zetterlund and Holtz have passed with flying colors, Boqvist much less so.

That's fair. You can see the higher effort from those two. Boquist hasn't been noticeable to me. Still those players aren't about short term results. You try to keep them based on your projection of what they might grow into. Boquist had a solid second half last year and deserves more than a short preseason to prove himself. Same with Zetterlund who showed that the AHL was no longer a challenge and his short NHL stint looked good. Holtz is the one who has more to prove to me compared to the older two. He was meh in the AHL playoffs and while he looks improved from last season I'm not sure he's ready to be a fixture with Hughes just yet. I guess if they have the gumption to send down Johnsson and the ability to send down Bernier and the decision making capacity to send down Geersten maybe there is a world where all three are on the roster.

 

[MVP Zacha]

Game is also on NHLN tonight for us out of market folks.

 

[Cheddabombs]

I like the lineup. Need to make sure our goalies are ready come regular season, make it a shooting gallery tonight for them to iron out their game

 

[mdj12784]

I gasped in horror after seeing McLeod penciled in as 2C.

Why?

 

[mdj12784]

Little harsh , he had looked good and has had bad luck finishing .

Agreed, but the sole reason he was drafted was to produce. We have far too many “unlucky” “snakebitten” etc. players

 

[Saugus]

I like the lineup. Need to make sure our goalies are ready come regular season, make it a shooting gallery tonight for them to iron out their game

Any word on the Islanders' lineup? If they are also icing scrubs, then it might not be quite the test our goalies need.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

I want to see Wood-McLeod-Bastian reunited, so I hope they swap Clarke and Bastian midgame.

 

[Lou is God]

Why?

It's a joke.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

The more I see upset tweets about the lineup (not that there's a ton), the more I kinda like it. You wanna now where everyone stands? Here's a great way to find out.

Also it's been interesting seeing Clarke's usage this preseason. Seems like management is expecting bigger things out of him than most of these other guys. It'd be cool to see him be the next Utica guy to take a big step.