No, I think Cory was part of the problems when the team was bad, but he was also the reason we won a lot of games we shouldn't have. But that's the definition of inconsistency.
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No, I think Cory was part of the problems when the team was bad, but he was also the reason we won a lot of games we shouldn't have. But that's the definition of inconsistency.
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That isn't exactly true. You're telling me Lundqvist is a good puck mover and can transition the puck well? How about Luongo? Jonathan Quick? He's good at playing the puck too I suppose?
Face it, there are no full package goalies like Marty anymore, that can both handle the puck and stop the puck just as well. Carey Price is about as close as it gets.
Most of your better goaltenders in the league, are not great at puck playing. Most of your good puck moving goalies, are not good puck stoppers in this era. Carey Price the lone exception. Ben Bishop is a great puck mover and an above average puck stopper, though he gets jocked as being a better goaltender than he is because of playing on a stacked team.
Who are the other good puck movers? Mike Smith? He BLOWS at actually stopping the puck, dude couldn't stop a god damn beachball that was blown at him by someone needing a lung transplant last season. And he hasn't been very good at any point either, aside from one anomaly and unsustainably high season.
So we can either have a good puck mover that blows ass at stopping the puck (Mike Smith) or we can have an elite puck stopper that blows at moving the puck. I like my chances with the one that's better at actually stopping the puck and think that's a much more effective trait of a goalie to have 9 times out of 10.
First 2 months or so, when we were so bad the coach got fired...
Then we changed our system, and bingo, the problem stopped. Now we are changing our system again. You see where I'm going with this?
No, I'm saying he should stop handling the puck. Like I said, the new system doesn't seem to fit his style of play. It might be better if he just lets the d-men touch the puck instead.
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That's probably where you and I differ. This team would be a lot worse off without Cory. He has his flaws, but he's not to blame for this team's struggles. Last year's team would have finished a lot worse with almost any goalie but Cory. That includes Kinkaid.
Did you read this board when Marty made the same mistakes? They tore him apart. Even though he gave us years and years of good performance. You think this board has any idea what a good goalie looks like?
Do guys remember reading posts about how great Steve Mason was? Generational talent even? Why don't we all stop pretending we're experienced NHL coaches. Let's face it we all have our own opinions. I don't have the same opinions as you guys. Let's agree to disagree.
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Marty wasn't good his last year here and was getting more games then the goalie that was playing better. It annoyed people.
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No, I just joined last year, when Marty was already gone, but the fact that people wrongly picked on Marty doesn't mean people should wrongly pick on Cory. Marty was a Hall of Fame goalie--better in his prime than Cory will ever be, honestly--but Cory is an elite goalie, and we can't have Marty in net anymore. We've got to love the new guy and the old guy in my opinion. There can be room in our hearts for both I hope.
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To few. We had a legit good game. We scored goals. Young forwards looked good and promising. Our new toy in K Palm continues to impress.
Then outside the game we have actual trade rumors involving us. We have cuts happening tomorrow.
So much to talk about and somehow we are arguing about Cory. The most consistent guy we have and the one we have to worry about the least.
No words.
Marty was not significantly worse than Cory. Yes he was declining but his style of play fit the teams and that resulted in more games won by the team when he was in net. That can't be refuted. Yet people keep making up stuff about how the team played worse in front of Cory. Yeah, those guys went out of their way to play worse in front of Cory but played great in front of Marty. Did you listen to yourselves?
I don't want to go into this again. But like I said, I don't agree with you guys. Let's just leave it at that.
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Unfortunately I feel he's also underappreciated around the league, while guys who have one or two good seasons (*cough* Bobrovsky *cough*) are still riding high on a dated reputation or one that was never even firmly in place to begin with. Too many clowns think Holtby, Bobrovsky and Bishop are better. All of them are fine goalies, but unbiasedly I don't see how any are better than Schneider.
The only ones I definitely have ahead of Schneider are Lundqvist, Price, and Rask. Rinne and Quick are about on par, and even Rinne has had a couple not so good seasons recently and Quick has had some a little above average regular seasons and wasn't even that good in the playoffs in 2014 when they lost won the cup. Rinne was not in the best of health those couple meh seasons, to be fair.
There were a couple games late in the season (giving up 3 on 6 shots at MSG and pulled after like 10 minutes into the game) where he didn't necessarily play bad, the puck just wasn't hitting him and the percentages might have been evening out because of how great he played for about 3 months before this. That game in Minnesota where he was lit up also comes to mind. Most of them weren't bad goals or goals he was stopping the 3 months before that, the puck just wasn't hitting him on those nights. Really no chance because of some of the plays and the ways in which they were happening. Or maybe just not in the right place at the right time and a little unlucky.
There some goals that get past a goaltender that you can't do nothing about, just impossible for the puck to hit you in that situation and the way they play transpired. I would say goals 1 and 2 tonight were goals like that. Then there's bad goals that dribble in between your arm and leg or 5 hole, where the puck does hit you but you don't stop it. I'd say that was what happened in goal 3 and I would say that was a bad goal for sure, as he was square to the shooter and it squeaked through a hole near his blocker.
If you think Cory is inconsistent and gives up bad goals, I dare you to watch an Arizona or an Edmonton game which Sievens starts this season. Or TB if that POS Ray Emery makes the team. Those are hideous goalies. Watch that towering buffoon Blimpback too, I think he plays for Arizona. They got Yokozuna Mike Smith and Blimpback now too. Two transformer looking mother****ers that still can't stop ****, despite one guy being 8 feet tall and the other looking like they dropped a sumo wrestler in the net.
I know it's only preseason but the more I see Jon Moore on our blueline, the more I think he'll be the steal of the offseason
Emperoreddy
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Even ranger fans I know admit Moore has legit skill. He just needed to put it together.
He has looked good so he could potentially be a great pick up for us.
I'm watching the game DVR'd right now, and following the GDT along with it. This struck me as hilarious because Greene tried that exact same pass later on in the game and Josefson couldn't handle it.
The pass wasn't nearly as accurate as Diaz but I still laughed when I saw it.Also I've been much more impressed with Zacha tonight. Looked like he was playing a little more like himself. And if preseason keeps going like this, Gionta might be out of luck. All of Boucher, Josefson, Blandisi, and even Sislo (sorry Bleed, but not all of us judge forwards by their breakaway conversion rate
) have been looking really good, along with Matteau, Zacha, and Thompson in my opinion. I think my favorite part about younger players starting to impress is the possibility that we won't have room to sign Kennedy (please please pleaseeeeee).
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I'm watching the game DVR'd right now, and following the GDT along with it. This struck me as hilarious because Greene tried that exact same pass later on in the game and Josefson couldn't handle it.
Also I've been much more impressed with Zacha tonight. Looked like he was playing a little more like himself. And if preseason keeps going like this, Gionta might be out of luck. All of Boucher, Josefson, Blandisi, and even Sislo (sorry Bleed, but not all of us judge forwards by their breakaway conversion rate
Agreed. Not seeing room for Gio right now and Kennedy is going to have a hard time earning a contract.
This is what Shero wanted. Kids forcing them to make tough choices.
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I don't really want Kennedy at this point, I never really did. He goes invisible for long period's of time, at least he did with San Jose. It seems he might have had a tendency to do that In Pittsburgh too. Maybe since he's without a contract now, he'll be more motivated and it's a reality check as to where he is in his career currently.
Still would rather sign Stempniak.
Still would rather sign Stempniak.
Also I really love this whole "he loves me, he loves me not" business that happens every time a young player takes a penalty.
Matteau gets tangled up and suddenly he shouldn't have been drafted. Zacha takes one of the few smart penalties we've seen this preseason and now he's not making the team.
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Also I really love this whole "he loves me, he loves me not" business that happens every time a young player takes a penalty.
Matts scored later so all was forgiven haha
Hmmmm something tells me Burlon took a penalty.
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Hmmmm something tells me Burlon took a penalty.
I don't really think Burlon has looked that good aside from the penalty. He even did something later on after that penalty that annoyed me, I forgot at this point though.
But I don't think anyone in the organization is high on him, he's 25 years old and is probably 5th best on depth chart on defense now. That's not including the young guys that are already established in the NHL.
He's never gotten a measly call up to the NHL during the regular season yet.
And I still don't think Zacha should be on the team, I don't blame him for taking that penalty. He needed to take it.
This was easily his best game so far, don't think he's ready yet for the NHL. No big deal, I don't think many expected him to be.
Matteau does seem to ring up the PIMs. Even in past preseason games I remember it being a problem with him. Like last year.
I don't remember too many penalties in his NHL call up last year.
God I'm not the only that thought this. Normally I'd say it was good of him to be in position to take that shot, but those near misses were his calling card in Pittsburgh. He's just not a guy you should be counting on in high-leverage situations. He really isn't a bad player, but for some reason coaches play him above his talent level time and time again.
I wasn't trying to rag on anyone about the Burlon penalty, just thought it was funny at that point.
I thought Burlon looked alright early in the preseason, but as the team's improved lately, he gets exposed as the average AHL defenseman he is. I agree he definitely didn't have a good night, and penalties from the whole roster are almost a running joke at this point.
I thought Burlon looked alright early in the preseason, but as the team's improved lately, he gets exposed as the average AHL defenseman he is. I agree he definitely didn't have a good night, and penalties from the whole roster are almost a running joke at this point.
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The complaint with some in San Jose was he was played below his talent level.
He was very frustrating to me. Hit these hot streaks, then went cold for a while.
The most concerning thing to me so far is that Greene was playing on his off side on the PK again, like last year when we were giving up all those PK goals before Salvador was injured and Greene was finally moved back.
The first PP goal against tonight was very reminiscent of that clown show last year. Not sure if he's been playing that side on the PK every game so far this preseason, or if it was just tonight.
I hope he wasn't during the game where he and Larsson both played. I don't even remember anymore. Hopefully this is just some kind of preseason thing, or until both he and Larsson are in the lineup and in the same game.
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