Post-Game Talk: Preds def. Canucks - 3-2 (Boeser, Hoglander)

[MS]

It wasnt all 'but injuries'...compounded with the fact that there are 10 new players on the team...They still dont know which players fit with one another.

Maybe management should have done a better job getting core players signed early like almost ever other team?

Maybe Travis Green shouldn't have spent the entire preseason shoveling Chiasson and Petan into top-line minutes (usually ahead of Garland)?

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I mean, yeah.

Remove goaltending and they've been maybe average defensively 5-on-5 while being terrible offensively. That's an overall poor ES team. And it's a poor ES team relative to a bunch of other poor teams given the weak schedule so far.

The special teams have been horrible the past few games, obviously. But this media narrative that this is somehow a good team just being let down by special teams (that were totally average until 3 games ago) is total nonsense.

Oh absolutely. Special teams have definately been a problem, but the biggest problem has been that we are generating shit all at even strength.

 

[Fatass]

It wasnt all 'but injuries'...compounded with the fact that there are 10 new players on the team...They still dont know which players fit with one another.

Or it could simply be our GM is incompetent.

 

[MS]

Oh absolutely. Special teams have definately been a problem, but the biggest problem has been that we are generating shit all at even strength.

Yup, but the current media narrative seems to be that this is a great ES team being let down by crap special teams.

Again, the special teams were basically league average until 3 games ago while we were 32nd in offensive metrics at ES.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Maybe management should have done a better job getting core players signed early like almost ever other team?

Maybe Travis Green shouldn't have spent the entire preseason shoveling Chiasson and Petan into top-line minutes (usually ahead of Garland)?

I dont think that there was an appetite for either side to get the deal done early.

I could care less about Chiasson personally, but he has produced at the NHL level previously...With no Hughes, Pettersson or Boeser, there was literally no PP preparation in the pre season...

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

It wasnt all 'but injuries'...compounded with the fact that there are 10 new players on the team...They still dont know which players fit with one another.

This is absolutely no excuse. This has been said before but Seattle has the same record as us and they have a teams where nobody has played together before. They have also had .888 goaltending gcompared to our .920. Besides it hasn't been the new players that have been struggling.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

special teams….
Oof

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This is absolutely no excuse. This has been said before but Seattle has the same record as us and they have a teams where nobody has played together before. They have also had .888 goaltending gcompared to our .920. Besides it hasn't been the new players that have been struggling.

Seattle practically iced their opening lineup in their very first pre season game..and played them throughout the whole pre season..We had Hughes, Pettersson, Boeser, Motte, Hamonic, Sutter (all key special teams players) mostly unavailable...Plus 10 new players on the team.

If you ask me, he Canucks are still in pre season mode...They still don't know who fits where.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Yup, but the current media narrative seems to be that this is a great ES team being let down by crap special teams.

Again, the special teams were basically league average until 3 games ago while we were 32nd in offensive metrics at ES.

Yeah that's what suvks about the media. We will go on a run of games where we are terrible at ES and win more that we deserve. Then be slightly improved for a few games but don't get the result. Then they will something like "if it weren't for special teams or with a few better bounces it would be an entirely different season" while ignoring all the prior bad play.

 

[likash]

LOL at blaming OEL
It’s not his fault that the forwards have no finish

Who is blaming him? You are ok with a defender who makes 7 mil and is on pace for 16 points? He gets a lot praise around here i don't see why. I was expecting his usual 40-45 pts. You act like he is signed for 2-3 years and not 6.

 

[Gstank]

special teams….
Oof

We should play a game on the main board. Which number is our PP and which number is our PK

 

[Canucker]

Seattle practically iced their opening lineup in their very first pre season game..and played them throughout the whole pre season..We had Hughes, Pettersson, Boeser, Motte, Hamonic, Sutter (all key special teams players) mostly unavailable...Plus 10 new players on the team.

If you ask me, he Canucks are still in pre season mode...They still don't know who fits where.

And that's acceptable? Or reasonable? They seemed to have an idea after they traded for all these new key pieces...I can give a pass to Petey being in a funk, its concerning how "deep" a funk he's in, but i get that it may take him some time...the rest of this is game preparation and that falls on the coaching staff...there are two options here, they have a shitty system or they have no ability to properly articulate or implement it.

 

[Gstank]

Who is blaming him? You are ok with a defender who makes 7 mil and is on pace for 16 points? He gets a lot praise around here i don't see why. I was expecting his usual 40-45 pts. You act like he is signed for 2-3 years and not 6.

7 mill to be a top 3 Defenseman is fine, im sure he will rack up some points as the season goes along. He wasnt going to get spooned OZ starts or PP1 icetime. If you havent notice half our team hasnt been producing offensively

 

[CalderSchmalder]

special teams….
Oof

1 - 20 PP

 

[likash]

7 mill to be a top 3 Defenseman is fine, im sure he will rack up some points as the season goes along. He wasnt going to get spooned OZ starts or PP1 icetime. If you havent notice half our team hasnt been producing offensively

TOP 3 defender on the Canucks does not say much. Myers has been playing better than him and we know who Myers is.
I said the same thing: he must produce to make that contract acceptable for 2-3 years. At that money, i do expect him to put around 40-45 while maintaining a respectable defensive play. I just don't understand the praise. YOu guys have been talking about him like he is prime OEL.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Seattle practically iced their opening lineup in their very first pre season game..and played them throughout the whole pre season..We had Hughes, Pettersson, Boeser, Motte, Hamonic, Sutter (all key special teams players) mostly unavailable...Plus 10 new players on the team.

If you ask me, he Canucks are still in pre season mode...They still don't know who fits where.

Seattle's top offensive players played the same amount of pre-season games Hughes and Pettersson did. Our top 6 has mostly all had a few years together. This is the lotto line's 3rd season together and Horvat and Pearson's fourth.

Besides the preseason is 7 games if you play them all. Hughes and Pettersson have played 12 and 13 games now. We should not be in"preseason mode" still.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Seattle also had to deal with injuries in the preseason and covid protocol.

 

[Melvin]

TOP 3 defender on the Canucks does not say much. Myers has been playing better than him and we know who Myers is.
I said the same thing: he must produce to make that contract acceptable for 2-3 years. At that money, i do expect him to put around 40-45 while maintaining a respectable defensive play. I just don't understand the praise. YOu guys have been talking about him like he is prime OEL.

Yeah. OEL has been okay, better than I expected for sure. He's been a good Edler replacement who for the same contract (1x3.5) would be perfectly acceptable. But people have really been showing themselves by completely bending over backwards to shower OEL with praise since literally the first period of his first pre-season game. He is a 30 y/o defender under contract for the next 6 seasons at 7M+ who was described by Benning as a Norris candidate. The fact that he's been OK and hasn't so far been one of the core problems with the team is not some amazing feat.

 

[RobertKron]

7 mill to be a top 3 Defenseman is fine, im sure he will rack up some points as the season goes along. He wasnt going to get spooned OZ starts or PP1 icetime. If you havent notice half our team hasnt been producing offensively

I mean he does have 50%+ OZstarts and plays like 3:15/g on the PP with 1 point so far. He's not being used like a specialist, but it's not like he's being even remotely buried.

Of the ten players with significant PP time, OEL has the lowest PPGF/60 by like .44, and he's like 1 behind the next guy.

I'm horrible at math, but unless I'm wrong he's been on the ice for one PPG all season, and he plays close to half of the team's total PP time. At what point do you maybe consider that he seems to be part of the problem?

 

[Sedinery]

For the math challenged, the Canucks franchise is worth approx 750 million. The aqua family is worth $3.3 billion

23 percent of the family wealth stems from the Canucks

any decline in that franchise value will be felt

Money talks and empty seats will bring out the aqua sweat

 

[Gstank]

Yeah. OEL has been okay, better than I expected for sure. He's been a good Edler replacement who for the same contract (1x3.5) would be perfectly acceptable. But people have really been showing themselves by completely bending over backwards to shower OEL with praise since literally the first period of his first pre-season game. He is a 30 y/o defender under contract for the next 6 seasons at 7M+ who was described by Benning as a Norris candidate. The fact that he's been OK and hasn't so far been one of the core problems with the team is not some amazing feat.

This is false. Benning said he was a top pairing Dman

 

[sting101]

Boeser played 1 pre season game, and was unavailable for the rest of camp...Pettersson,Hughes, Motte, Hamonic, Sutter were mostly unavailable..Its pretty tough to get any chemistry going with all those players out.

That being said, ..not being able to score, or get the PP going with the calibre of players on the team...is mind boggling.

Not really.
I thought they were doing an ok thing with Chiasson as they could just swap the 2 when Boeser got back. Nope that slug is still killing the PP and as far as the Lotto line.....Miller has been bouncing so has Boeser with or without the Pettersson issues.

Hughes has been great.....not even the slightest issue worth mentioning and Pettersson has had more than enough runway to get his crap together.....what's evident with Pettersson is a poor off season and upsetting lack of strength development

Motte Sutter are 4th liners. Not even worth bringing up and Hamonic's replacement in Poolman to date has done a pretty good job.

Thats a crazy excuse for the lack of cohesion and understanding of how this team was gonna win games

I mean anyone with a whiteboard could have gotten...

Miller Pettersson Boeser....Chiasson or Pod till BB was healthy
Pearson Horvat Garland
Hoglander Dickinson Podkolzin/Highmore right to hit the ground running and Boeser instead of Chiasson on the PP but that's not the case and King hasn't shown anything we haven't seen before from that PP.

And it certainly wouldn't have been an issue had they gone
Miller Pettersson Garland
Pearson Horvat Hoglander
Podkolzin Dickinson Boeser to phase Brock back in

To clarify my point...Garland a surefire top6 player who needed to get acclimated spent the pre season in order of minutes with 1-Pettersson 2-Chiasson 3- Dowling 4- Di Guiseppe like what the F was that going to to do for him and the teams top2 scoring lines

Dickinson was brought in to be the 3C and be able to provide match up defense....a very important systems line that would require very good cohesion and attention to detail. 1- Di Guiseppe (Cut) 2- MacEwen ( yep the guy they waived) 3- Lockwood (Abby) 4-Bailey 5- Garland.................like WTF this is unacceptable...........5 guys he's barely played with to date.

Way to set yourself up for success

 

[RobertKron]

This is false. Benning said he was a top pairing Dman

He said that he'd have been up for the Norris if he been playing out east.

 

[EpochLink]

Chicago fired their head coach.

It’s time to fire Travis Green, 5 years is enough of his shit.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Seattle's top offensive players played the same amount of pre-season games Hughes and Pettersson did. Our top 6 has mostly all had a few years together. This is the lotto line's 3rd season together and Horvat and Pearson's fourth.

Besides the preseason is 7 games if you play them all. Hughes and Pettersson have played 12 and 13 games now. We should not be in"preseason mode" still.

Obviously, there's something seriously wrong with their special teams systems...The lotto line didnt play much last season, and I dont think Pettersson's play (and Boeser to some degree) has anything to do with coaching/systems...They are what they are right now..Its there for all to see on the ice.